Country Gal I thank you for the link the thread and nice to see you back again, balanced response and understanding is much needed.
I remind some, Indonesia is a independent country and trading partner.
It is remarkable and truly good that we have some influence in improving this country's practices.
And while Emotions, and in my strongly held view other motives, such as interest in starting Halal meat exports/not eating meat at all are about we both country's require better.
And have achieved that already,AS AN ALP MEMBER/FOOT SOLDIER I BEG my party to stop pandering to the greens and their supporters here.
I a simple man could have fixed this, had cattle being exported and killed in world practice ways within a week.
My party,its leadership, and supporters must remember, we wish for things that have served us well, NSW country Labor for a start,to grow ,to bring new seats and country members ,not die at the hands of blind populism that serves to bring new enemy's needlessly.
I remind Moganzilla and others, I am yet to see,even one pro live exporter not agree it had to be unmasked it had to stop.
Yabby I am no coward, leave such threads as this only to not feed those who say one thing and want another who may or may not be wooden horses hiding true identity's and intentions.

I think the *Greens* should be aware that the 2 major parties and their clusters of self interested career professionals DO NOT share power willingly, and how many times now have we seen "policy releases" with "Green Shades" announced without warning or discussion with the added and very real risk of the destruction of the financial security solution of Australians with no advanced consultation process. *Yappy* is correct to alert us to "unintended consequences" in my view.

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On SBS Indonesian News recently, the relevant Indonesian Minister stated and I translate:

" Ohhh! How come Australia didn't talk to us nicely about it first? "

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Aduh! *Julia Gila*

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Well may *Mr Wudd* be accussed of being autocratic and authoritiarian. But is *Gila* any better in her treatment of us?

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As the translation of what *Abu (suka) Bakar (bule) Bashir* had to say moments ago, I note that the translation was censored. (Likely for incitement or something similar.)

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I shall be a good lad and respect that, but do think it important that we are all aware that such censorship does take place without real time disclosure.

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*OPPOSITION LEADER ABBOTT*

" ... Why is the Prime Minister scared of debate? ... "

…What appears to pass over the unaffected heads of the dislocated animal rights lobby, now in full confrontation mode and baying for blood; is the blood being spilt is that of a $330m dollar a year cattle export industry.

…Here is an entire industry shut down without notice and without the slightest regard of consequences to the producers of these cattle, or for that matter, the twenty thousand head of cattle left sitting on the dock, and the blind pandering to an obvious lunatic fringe, by the Gillard Government.

…As far as I am concerned, this event exemplifies the total incompetence and inability of this Government to not only function in a reliable fashion, but to be trusted with any further major decision making for this country on any level. This Government is now totally defunct: The proof, if any more is needed, is the exposed priorities highlighted by the abandonment of Cattle producers in this country, over an inane issue of animal rights

*The abattoirs in Australia that were closed can be reopened with the recovery of the 40,000 jobs that I believe were lost when the unfortunate decision to permit shipment of live animals was allowed to replace their product.*

Dickybird, you seemingly know even less then the Greens, about the
meat industry. The 40'000 jobs is pure rubbish. In fact when
50 or 100 jobs are advertised in WA, nobody applies. 457 workers
are the only ones wanting them, they keep the meat industry going.

The reason why northern cattle are shipped out live, is that they
have little meat value, being tough as nails off the stations.
Hamburger meat is low value, not high value. Those cattle need
feedlotting before slaughter, Indonesia has the feed, we don't in
the north and trucking it up there would make it unviable.

A steer that does not go on a boat, is immediatley worth 150$
more to a pastoralist. That is the difference between keeping the
station going, or giving the game away. If you want Australian
employment, you are free to have a go at harvesting the million
camels running around the North and turn them into meat. Nobody
has done it profitably.

That is the problem with this debate, the Greens don't have the
foggiest about economics or running a business.

Next unintended consequence: Those shiny new Wellard ships are not
going to be scrapped, they operate globally. Those Indonesian
feedlots are not going to stay empty either, too much is invested.
So cattle from Brazil, Africa, India etc will be sourced. Before
we know it we'll have foot and mouth on our doorstep, with enough
refugee and fishing boats sailing here to transfer it across the pond.
With all your good intentions you will destroy a 14 billion $ a
year Australian industry in the process.

Yabby,
You are to be congratulated for your patience and persistance in the previous thread.

You were advocating Improvements to the slaughter process in Indonesia while keeping the supply of cattle up to those abittoirs that were slaughtering to our standards. This could easily be done and the trade continue.

Despite many explanations as to why we cannot do the slaughtering here, it is obvious that there are some people that simply don't want to listen or just ignore factual information. So they still advocate a complete ban in live exports, again despite assurances that they are floating feedlots.

They claim to want the slaughtering done here but where are they going to find investors to build or reopen abittoirs that are known to be unviable, for a number of reasons.

Like Katter said on Q&A, 'They want to shut down all Northern Aus above Brisbane, except for a bit of cane on the east coast' or words to that effect.

I'm sorry for Belly too, as the continued ban is now becoming another knee jerk stuff up by Labor.

I too am sorry Banjo and very sad.
My post history should support my views that while I am no youth my concerns for my party are that it should be,young forever.
Move toward change leave the class warfare in the past bring constant change and improvement
Shear terror/fear about drifting voters toward to Greens is killing my party.
This is one such mistake.
Others are not telling the public, not understanding they do not know, need to be informed, of the behind the scenes reasons to act so wrong.
How many Australians, informed of both sides of this issue,would not agree outcomes are better than needless pain.
Yabby has called for more government funding for Indonesian Abattoirs, Morganzilas appears to ignore industry's, not governments existing funding.
With 10 percent of funding we already make, to protect and grow other exporters, we can fix this.
Surely and end to suffering,policed actions to over look all parts of the trade are achievable?
Do posters want to know the very real saddest part of this whole issue.
My party in my view will reopen the trade with every commitment Spoke of, within 6 weeks, why then stuff up so badly.
Greens those who support them, in my view take the eyes of Australians away from the very real dangers in current conservatives leadership.
And in my view should be treated both both Labor and Liberals for what they are.
A group distrusted by 80% of this country's voters.[ would have liked to use a more descriptive word]