*My slaughtering abilities remain with shooting and dressing rabbits.*

Well exactly, Ammonite. You know very little about this topic
and being a sensitive petal, are pissed off when somebody
points that out when you post uninformed rubbish.

If you had bothered to check what Belly and I actually suggested,
it was that people like Roger Fletcher and Temple Grandin get
involved in designing functional and humane equipment for the
third world. Chris Back, a senator as well as livestock vet
points out that if you don't want animals heads thrashing
around, use a restraint.

What came out in the videos was that the present MLA boxes
are simply unsuitable and part of the problem, on that everyone
agrees. Beaurocrats are clearly not the best people to design
livestock equipment. Even the Govt seems to agree, having just
sent a delegation of vets to Indonesia to see what can be done
about the boxes.

So it comes down to the equipment provided, and our point was
that more of it should be rolled out in the third world, if
we want to make a difference.

You just stick to rabbits.

Now now Yabby. I agree with just about everything you say. However Ammonite and yourself are not that far about. True Ammonite does not understand your reasoning for why Australian Abbatoirs cannot re-open (I do), but personal attacks dont help.

Ammonite, Yabby has kept a pretty consistent line of reasoning, and he is pretty on the money. Seasonability (particularly in WA and the NT)combined with remote locations and oppressive employment conditions and expense all conspire to make the operation of local slaughter facilities a distant memory. If there was money in it, there would be someone having a go.

Kerryanne, this thread had nothing to do with halal - its about making sure the other side of the story is heard. That's about the only response I can come up with for you... learn how to construct a meaningful sentence (and then meaningful argument), and I will happily debate with you. At the very least, please read before you post, and that way you have some hope of making sense.

Kerryanne, this thread had nothing to do with halal

Australian influence on abattoir practices in Indonesia

Hilarious, this whole issue of the thread that you opened is over Halal accreditation for goodness sake.

Indonesia is a Muslim country

I am sorry if you do not know the accreditation codes so you can follow the real problem.

Never mind I will let the Muslims know that you have all the answers- They could do with a laugh right now.

Ammonite was one of a few that made good arguments and i mainly kept posting for her/ his information.

Yabby knows zilch about Halal accreditation which is the basis of our abattoir trade in Indonesia. May I suggest you dont open a thread if you dont have ant knowledge on the topic.

Good luck sorting out the abattoirs in Indonesia without Halal dear- you will sure need it:)

Kerryanne,
If you want to promote Halal killing in Aus, or promote more cattle slaughter in Indonesia or Malayasia, then go for it. Right now we have a problem with exporting cattle to Indonesia that requires urgent attention. There is no reason why the government cannot lift the bans to allow some abittoirs in Indonesia to receive our stock. That is the crucial thing at this point. I do not particularly care about the ins and outs of Halal killing, just that the slaughter is done in the best possible way.

I recall debate here on OLO years ago between PALE and others about Halal killing here, and it seems like a war is still going on between animal rights groups about this. Halal killing is being done here now as my local abittoirs carries it out.

Have a look at your last post on page 8 and ask yourself if it makes sense to anyone else reading it.

Country Gal, I seem to recall that you are an accountant. You would
clearly understand the need for a business to be profitable to all,
ie suppliers, the business and customers. If that is not the case,
that business won't survive. Something like 80% of businesses which
open, don't survive. It is because people don't pay attention to
these basic realities. But it is something which many who want to
ban the live trade, simply cannot grasp.

The Indonesian trade is in effect a very efficient supply chain, with
benefits all round. People forget the thousands of small Indonesian
farmers who supply the feedlots with cattle feed and what they stand
to lose.

Accreditation of Indonesian meatworks is best left to the Indonesians, when it comes to Halal. As their Mufti has explained,
if the animals were treated in a cruel way, the meat is not Halal.

As to Ammonite, she has a habit of being "difficult". If she dishes
it out, she will get it back.

The good news is that the weekend demonstrations against the live
trade, were pretty much a failure.

In Perth, farmers doing their own demonstrating, outnumbered the
100 or so vegans who turned up, by 4 to 1. In Sydney there were 400-1000.
Given the 5 million or so population, pretty well peanuts.

We had the same old animal liberation crowd there.So overall pretty
much a fizzer.