Yabby,

You win today's award for the most patronising post.....

Guess what?....today I've done a bit of home-ed with my son, done dishes, washing, cooked pikelets and sewed three buttons on a shirt (finally!) - and yet, I've discovered that my sensibilities are still capable of absorbing, pondering and holding an opinion on the intricacies of current affairs beyond the walls of my house...now who'd have thought such a thing was possible. : )

http://theland.farmonline.com.au/blogs/farmonline-opinion/a-letter-to-four-corners-from-wellard-rural-exports/2193028.aspx?storypage=0

This guy has an interesting story to tell and he knows a bit.
He says that the people in the 4 corners story were paid.
He is of course correct in that the programme was hardly good
journalism, it did not show both sides of the story, but was
a major promotions campaign coup for AA.

Poirot, you are indeed a bright lady, I have no doubt there.
But my point is that cleaning Johnnies snotty nose and washing
those whites, whiter then white with Omo, does not qualify people
to be experts in livestock and their handling. A sheep is not
a pet poodle either. Like with any debate, the devil lies in
the detail and its wonderful when people actually take the trouble
to learn a bit about a topic which they are debating, rather then
just vent their feelings, often in ignorance. In this case we
have a situation where people who know little about a topic, want
to shut down a huge industry, for no benefit other then to feel
a bit better. They might have a fight on their hands.

yabby in time you will understand you and I can not make progress here.
In just my lifetime I have seen, in the name of equality,a need to control in SOME women.
Go back and read every post, find those that tell we can both stop, end totally,the cruelty and keep the trade.
You will be hard pressed to find a females name on such a post.
And unless I am wrong, both Ammonite and KerryAnne have not seen our criticisms of the MLA.
Sexism is used here in this thread by both sides to denigrate a view point.

Poirot,
Oh that's so funny Poirot thanks for the giggle.
Belly,
Thats is ok if you don't want to talk on learning difficulties which is what the topic was i invited you to post on. I just thought it was a worthy topic as my best friend has a situation with her Son. Hes really very bright . Maybe someone else will come along with some insight into that . I have not seen one person either saying they are vegans.

Yabby,

You may not think Ammonite and some of the others have skills that can be used to finding alternatives for farmers. I am not going to try to dumb down to you either as you so rudely posted to Ammonite to explain there are people out there that are far more involved in the Halal meat trade than you ever will be.

Ammonites work and background in research has been noted by the ones that really matter.

I cant help it nor can anybody else if you don't have the brains to see there are better ways and far more profitable way for our farmers.

From my observation you don't come across as a farmer. Your not interested in other farmers you a MLA laggy.

Of course you don't want other farmers dealing direct with buyers. Of course you don't want to bi- pass the greedy middle man because your one of them.

If you were half reasonable you would see all! of these people are working in their own time to find a better way for Australia its farmers + its farm Animals.

Oh no not you- For you there is no compromise and i feel its very unfair of you to come in here pretending your speaking on behalf of farmers.

Your speaking as someone who has invested in the industry - now that's a hole different prospective than just as a farmer and you know it.

I think we could all do with an update of Yabbys Adventures right now guys.
Any suggestions:)
http://www.opiniononlineforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=499
Kerryanne little old farmer from way back.

I am always willing to talk about learning difficulty's,if you put the link I will come.
every one of us should try, constantly to help here nothing is of more use than education.
Hints for some, watch for signs, left my glasses at home is one, the wife does my paper work another never be cruel to such people, they always have skills we do not.

yabby thank you very much for the link, may I ask ANYONE having thoughts on this issue read yabby link.
I am about to leave this thread.
I can not find the extreme rudeness yabby is charged with.
I can smell a rat, just in KerryAnne last post that word Halal.
Those of us who survived the animal rights war, we had one here, knew that term very well.
A group, of mostly women,wanted to kill in the Halal way, and wanted live cattle exports to stop, to help them get that business going.
ANY considered look any brief one, by a blind man on a galloping horse, will see it is not possible.
Workers, Australian ones, would not live there for those wages, miners pay four times that.
Schemes to bring Aboriginals in training them,over look they too want best wages to live on.
We import skilled workers now,have not got the Labour to open remote workplaces.
As history proves this subject will not be resolved,emotionalism beat reality here every time,it is best left to others.
In time, ruled by common sense governments will both look at yabby link and let the trade continue.
I would rather stand with yabby here, fair go means something to me,but you waste you time bloke, those throwing the mud must decide are they telling, and watch this space, our farmers to grow carrots or trying to resolve the issue.
BETCHA its carrots.