Belly

People have been attacking Yabby because of his insulting attitude towards anyone who disagrees with him - he has no idea the background or knowledge of any of the posters. he has also been very demeaning to housewives - I don't know many of those, I think they were more common about 50 years ago, even so I doubt the majority of them were ignorant or uninformed.

As for topic, many people here are trying to suggest alternative methods beyond the current total ban to Indonesia - all of which have received ridicule by yourself and Yabby. Good thing you are not in the industry. But Yabby is and should know better.

Nor has anyone identified as a Vegan, I'm not, however that should make no more difference than if we were all staying at home raising children.

You appear intent on NOT looking for solutions, bagging anyone who does and just making yourselves look like ignorant yokels - and I know from long time observing here that both of you are better than this.

Finally, for all their faults, this world we have so much influence over is a better place for having organisations like the RSPCA than nothing at all. I don't always agree with their actions either - nothing is perfect. However, I hold far more respect for those groups than the MLA which are more concerned about dollars than animal welfare.

Kerryanne

Your posts are a fresh of breath air into a stale argument. I have a background in environmental science and am particularly skilled at research. If there is anyway I can help - happy to do so.

Ammonite, you have dealt with the nasty ones much nicer than I was going to, and I think you said all that needs to be said.

Thanks, and see you all on another thread.

Cheers,
Suze.

Ammonite

Thank you for your offer and its very welcome. Especially in your area of research. The only thing that i care about is the animals and yes we must find a better way for farmers too. They go hand in hand.

I do know that there is to be a new face Australia wide with a new Society opening in six weeks. I also know they require someone like yourself to write their program's. I already sent your other work on through the pipe line for their interest . The reply I got back was.
Can you pls find out if this person is happy to write our policys.
These people have the power to make huge improvments for the animals.
Pls read here because out of room. Not enough space. Ammonite make sure you click onto page 2. Its a small button at the top. Funny little thing it needs making bigger and in an easier place to find.

breaking news from kerryanne


http://www.opiniononlineforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=496&p=584#p584

Yabby you and I must now lower our eyes, kick the toe of our boots in the dust, say shucks we are sorry.
Sorry we are not the City born and bred blokes, just gay enough, or crawlers enough, to pretend we agree.
I respect all these Lady's, truly do.
And just may be I should try harder, to sound like some one I am not.
But every day of my life a have had NO RESPECT for some types of men, King Hitters, those who lie and manipulate every woman they ever meet.
Tho ones who bag the missus every chance away from home, those who hit EVER a woman.
The male version of a loose woman, I actually like women.
I will not however lower my head, not say some thing I do not think.
And I will not hide the fact country men very often think SOME women should stay in the kitchen.
A country girl, almost every one of them, would proudly stand with yabby,and me, repeating our first DEMAND end the Cruelty.
Our Second demand? mine is let the trade continue at a reduced pace, UNLESS THE CRUELTY RETURNS.
Yabby you and I lock horns on unions and my party.
But in this case I see not a split hair between us.
I think, with some pride and some evidence, I am a good dispute resolution manager.
The very first and last skill, it will not work with out it, is to see both sides.
I see no evidence one side wants the trade to continue, and just at a glance one at least is indeed a vegan.

Just had my first and last look at your links KerryAnne, saw MickC has 360ed and want to say a few things.
Your earlier praise for me was miss placed, I can never bend to fit in with your wishes and wants.
Do not under estimate me, I have no formal education, but have the university of life behind me.
I will fight forever for justice but not a one eyed view of the world.
I eat meat, and want other country's Like Indonesia to continue to be helped by us.
We educate their kids,and get kicked in the guts for it, by Abbott.
We educated them here, have found a gap we need very much to fix ,but only an end to live shipping will do.
This world is compromise not ruled by minority's we can fix this, but in truth your little group is forming up to throw mud .
I say good by here, but beg my fellow posters this, remember the blindness of past debates on this subject, it in my view did us harm .
Read the links ask this, if no cattle exports and carcases are not wanted what then for these Australian farmers.
Remember, know, yabby and I want an end to the harm but are covered in mud for not falling in line with a few NEVER!my right to think formy self is mine!

*But Yabby is and should know better.*

Ammonite, I am not about to dumb down for you, so that you can
keep up with this debate. The truth sometimes hurts and if the
cap fits then I say it. I don't do touchy feely stuff, I am more
used to talking to rational and practical people. This is after
all, not a gaggle of schoolgirls, but a forum for grownups to
debate based on reason and facts.

All that you have shown so far in your posts is that you are pretty
naive about the meat industry and how it functions and why. Good
intentions don't do it, I am afraid.

And the fact remains, thousands of farmers and others are copping
it on the chin, because of a well organised "campaign" to end the
live trade. Its not their fault that the Govt got it wrong, but
yet again they pay. Little people, lots of them.

Yes I stick up for farmers. I've seen two thirds of them leave the
industry around here, because the figures did not add up anymore.
You might not care about economics, but if it was your family
that needed feeding, I bet you would. Farmers not only deal with
droughts and floods and locusts and every other thing thrown at
them, they also now have to deal with the opinion of the stereotypical
hysterical housewife as well. Who knows sweet FA about the whole
situation in the first place, apart from the bit on telly.

It is pointless building a meatworks anywhere, if the thing is
not viable. Pastoralists can't run stations on hamburger cow
prices, which can drop down to 70c a kg.

The live trade is a critical part of agriculture and farmers will
certainly be fighting for it to stay, as they understand the
arguments, which you lot clearly don't. Ignorance is bliss.