Mick C jump over here room on the naughty boys seat for you.
You will be pleased to know we are capable of thinking about the whole problem.
Not ruled by emotions,but looking for answers.
Suzi on this you are wrong.
No way around it just wrong.
And let those who know stop animal cruelty not the trade.
WHY are we side stepping my question, it would cost about 100 Australian dollars to buy cruel actions out side the norm,was any one paid?
It would not be the first time, TV Journalists do it all the time
AA would without second thought.

Thanks for keeping the seat warm Belly

Suzi there is no short term with the weight regulations 'over 350kg dont go' which we contend with and the coming wet season it could be a fair time before we have a chance to get cattle over there. That is if it ever starts again.

This is going to be disastrous not only for us as a trusting trade partner but there are going to be a lot of people going hungry.

Sometimes we talk without thinking and then we jump blindly.

But such is life!

Morganzola, most are not animal welfare groups, but animal rights
groups, something very different. Most are vegans basing their
philosophies on Peter Singer. Most hate farmers too, for they
think we should not be farming livestock for food. The RSPCA has
in the past been an animal welfare group, but that seems to be
changing slowly. Most are not interested in working to improve
animal welfare, they simply want to shut the live trade down at
any cost. Many are also seriously cashed up, so I hope that they
do something useful with all that money. I seem to recall that
one rich benefactor alone has made a few million $ available to
AA. So if they are doing something useful with all that money,
well that is not a bad thing.

Some of these animal rights groups have constantly cried wolf
about all sort of things. They lack credibility because they lack
people who understand livestock and agriculture, just like PETA.

*The requirement of fattening cattle for the slaughter does not prevent the RE-INTRODUCTION of abattoirs*

Ammonite its not much good to you, if the feed is in Indonesia!
Unless you start trucking it thousands of km, at which point
costs will break you.

*I think you are merely arguing in favour of 'business-as-usual' and not interested in progress*

Which goes against everything I have posted so far. I have stated
many times on this topic, that animal welfare should be addressed,
for a start by giving workers slaughtering cattle, proper gear.
Given that we donate 4 billion a year to foreign aid, a few million
of that would in fact go a long way to achieve just that

*Yes Yabby, ranting about the supposed 'housewives' in animal welfare groups would only serve to upset them even more *

Sheesh Suzie, I am gonna have some sleepless nights now :)

Let me tell you something. Long before you came along, for years
in fact, we had the animal liberation wars on OLO. Every vegan
with an axe to grind came along. Funnily enough, nearly all were
women.

Yes, housewives are handy people, but that does not qualify them
in livestock handling.

Well i am buggered if I know because I started a conversation thread of my own. Then I started reading this and something else occurred to me.
(Maybe I will do something on that later who knows)
After reading all of this i found myself side tracked. I actually made little notes of who was who- and a few comments both male and female and came up with some interesting results overall.

- I didn't even know this site was here but I have decided to talk about the people and their comments one by one and include it in my overall report.

You can view them here if anybody is interested because i don't have the time to post in two places.

http://www.opiniononlineforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=496

Yes, housewives are handy people, but that does not qualify them
in livestock handling.....and just when you thought the volcano was dormant:)

Oh dear....has it been that long:)

Well, yabbies an old dusty that you can relay on time and time again. However Its a bit like nature puts all in its place for a reason and The ugly word of balance hits the screen.
Every human is a............and thats the way we are:) All women have an axe to grind, and who could blame them........50,000 plus ago, ug the cave men has his way, then female history has its gains, and what do we end up with?

Two differences with the same cause, and thats food.

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