Their dominant sin..grips them..as in..a vice,and their chief thoughts..run on the lines..it has marked out...in its previous material life...

Take the Officer, whose dominant vices were hate and ruthlessness...He thought hate,..*that produced an atmosphere of cruelty..and hate,..and his
companions were likewise thinking the same ideas.

The sum total of their united ideas
formed that division of Hell.

Those who were weaker in character,..or even in cruelty, had to
accept the ideas thrown off by the stronger,and, therefore,..the Officer was able to inflict pain and wounds on those whom he crushed

J.W...It has been suggested that the Officer's..account of Hell is an account of a nightmare
dreamed by his sleeping spirit.;

H.J.L...;That is not a correct summary of the position.
Earth folk find it very hard to realize that even on earth the..;idea..&#..is everything.

They are so used to seeing ideas clothed in matter,
that they regard ideas not so clothed as much less important.

Now this is incorrect. Let us consider, say,..the winged figure of Victory...The idea existed in the mind of its creator before
he carved it in marble.

The idea would still have existed if he had never carved it.

Moreover,..he might have made a model of it,
and then had a bronze cast therefrom by someone else.
But if he had,..the idea would have been his,..not the caster's.

Mind,..I think he is the better/artist,.and probably the statue is a better statue,..if he does all the work himself,..but that does
not alter my argument.

Well,..though on earth ideas,..to become visible must,as a rule,..be
clothed in matter..* on the spirit/plane..the idea itself is perceived by us..and takes the form in which we have conceived it.

You,..Jack,..will understand this easily,..as you have seen the
statues in the·galleries on the spirit-plane,..which is explained..in the work we have recently given to the public...(Gone West,]

Now,..add to that fact..the further one/that united belief in an abstract idea creates it,..as seen in the..;Forms of the Gods;..which are worshipped..in the second division..of the spirit-plane,..and you have all the material..for Hell as...described..

UOG: when are you going to stop believing what others tell you? honestly? HELL? SUICIDE? come one.. wake up.. i mean some posters thinks i am not here? They're elsewhere stuck in their disruptive minds.

You like to analyze so much, come up with your proof of hell, how about posting some picture of it as well. Not made up ones.. REAL ONES

"Matter has vanished entirely" really? what matter? all the physical objects around you?

"Space is non-existent" what planet do you live in? even when you use the space bar on your keyboard there is a space.

"Time..is nearly..non-existent..although there is something akin to chronological-order." just because you can't deal with reality? of course time exist.

Why is there day and night, why is there time, why are there predictions, why have some of these predictions true. When did the word 'time' get created? now we view that word differently from before, because we know better.

described by the Officer.

So,..too,..you have the/explanation..of how the rest houses are set up in Hell..by bands of good spirits.

These phenomena are as objective to us..as material phenomena are to earth folk,..
and more so..for we feel them..with our whole being..instead of merely..*perceiving them..by means of one of our senses,..as,for example,..by means of sight...

Now I object to the dreaming them..for this reason.
In mortal life the dreamer is a passive-witness..of the scenes which pass through his mind...I do not mean that he does not sometimes appear to play a part in them;..of course he does.

But there comes a time when..he wakes and knows..they were a dream.
No such thing occurred with the Officer.
He did not*wake from the nightmare.

Rather,..his nightmare,..by degrees,..changed into a pleasanter condition...not a dream,..and he and I..and if all we see..are dreams but if so whose dreams?

Not the Officer's!

No,..the way in which a dream..could explain the phenomena is not that Hell/was a dream of the Officer's, but..that he and I,and R.L.W. and your mothe.. are all dreams..—..and you are the dreamer.

Well,..you know that this is absurd,
though the outside world may,..or may not,think so,
but as I am speaking..for your satisfaction mostly,..I tell you to put that idea away.

It won't enable you to explain the subject.
Grasp fully the import of the law..that the form and the idea..take the place of the physical..and the astral body,..and much that is difficult to understand..becomes plain.

For this law governs the spirit plane..whether in Hell or in the
highest division.

"Therefore,..it is true to say that Hell..is a condition..and not a place.

But this statement is not true of the astral plane.
1.The astral plane is semi-material.
2...It has something..*akin to space..and even position
"3.Time does*..exist,..though..in a more fluidic-form..than on earth.

"Now,..before enlarging..on these points,..I want to..

want to draw your attention to these characteristics
of the astral plane which differentiate it in a marked way from the spirit plane.

"The whole astral plane and its inhabitants are much less fixed than either the earth or the
spirit plane.

It is a half-way house between the two, and partakes of the nature of both, often
with incongruous results.
"Its inhabitants are much less graded and sorted out than those in the spirit plane.

You can
meet quite evil persons on the sixth division of the astral plane, and quite good ones on the
earth plane.

"Again, you find in certain parts of the astral plane life approximating closely to life of the
earth, and yet you will find men of several nationalities discussing abstruse problems by
means of telepathy, nearly as completely as we do in the spirit plane.

"Let us take point 1.
’’The astral plane may be regarded as the astral body of the earth itself, and just as the astral
body spreads its aura or outer fringe beyond our earth body to a distance of a few inches, so
does the world.

"But just as the astral body of a man is within as well as without his physical body, so the
astral plane interpenetrates the earth.
"The further one gets from the earth, the finer becomes the matter which still exists, until at
length it ceases.

Therefore, gross astral beings cannot reach the higher divisions of the astral
plane.
"Now, I am trying to keep this as clear as I can so if you can’t follow me say so at once and
remember that what may seem clear to you may not seem clear to others who have not had
your experience.

J.W. "I follow you quite well."
H.J.L. "Yes. With regard to the second point. You will now understand that in a certain sense
–
you must not be too literal, of course – but in a certain sense there is space, place, and
position. In a moment, when I’ve finished, R.L.W. will show you a diagram of the astral plane.

"The two lowest divisions may be considered as within the earth’s crust...Of course,..I don’t mean that if you dig a big hole..you will ever be able to see*them..with mortal eyes,..but yet..in a sense that is their position.

"The third division,..our earth-plane is really..the outer crust of the physical earth,..as seen by*..an astral being. Those last few words convey a great deal..as Rex will explain later.

"The fourth division..or the land of the dreamers..is a curious band of country linking up the/earth-plane..and the higher division of the astral-plane.

Here time*..begins to play..a curious part..for here*..come the astral-elements..which are being thrown off..*by all things physical whether..’animate’..or what you are pleased to call..’inanimate.’

Here come the dreamers,..and here*also..come many astrals who descend from the higher division..to meet those who come seeking them,..and at times they stay..and talk as your mother did to B.,..and sometimes they lead..the dreamers into the fifth..or sixth division of the astral plane..as I did..when I met C.W.(see Gone West).

"This division..*corresponds largely..with the lower atmosphere,..and the very finest particles of dust..which are made visible to mortals when the sun illuminates them..are the grossest form/of matter..which we can see..on that plane.

"Of course,.when we are on the earth-plan.. we are brought within the influence of earth/conditions,..and can see real material objects,..but they look different..to us from what they do
to you.

"The next two divisions are further out in space,..i.e. further from the earth,..and also..the effect of time begins to appear.

"The fifth..and sixth-divisions..mingle*..in a way which is very difficult to describe..which brings home{to us}..more than anything else..the curious blend..of physical.and spiritual,..so characteristic..of the astral-plane.

"In the fifth division..the denizens think-they need..food and sleep, and so they have astral-food,..and actually appear*to sleep.

"In the sixth division,..where we are,..all four of us,..the denizens know..that neither food nor sleep..is necessary..and therefore do not have them.

"Now,..you will perceive at once that this is the law of spiritual condition...It marks one of the earliest stages..of the cleansing of the spirit from earth influence.

"But the effect of time is peculiar also,..for these two divisions which in outward appearances*..resemble each other very closely,..show all the various stages*..through which the world has
passed.

Thus the world which is perishing today..under the guns in Italy is speeding over to..the fifth and sixth divisions.

"Here also you will find..the astral-form of the Ice Age..or of the coal measures.

"Now,..whereas..*on the physical-world..the most recent one is beneath your feet,..and the..Archæn rocks..are buried deep down in the bowels of the earth,..here you..*seem to see..these ages reflected..as-like in a mirror,..and so the age..of today..is in order of space..nearest to the earth..and each earlier age..is further..*out..in the ether.

"To take a homely simile,..if the earth were..*the heart of a bulb..the outer-layer_husk..would be the Archæn rocks,..and the intervening layers..would represent the coal-measures,..the Ice Age,
the present age,..and so forth,..of the astral plane.

"But though this..is a simple and effective simile,
it is not,*..unfortunately,..a completely correct one.

"The position..is complicated by the fact..that these..’strata’
here have..each two sections...one for those who need food,..and one for those who don’t.

If I were to merge them..into one division,..and simply say that those..who needed food..formed little communities..together..while
those who did not likewise lived apart...It should give you a very fair idea..of the truth,..

But yet..I should not be absolutely correct ..
"The highest division lies away/beyond..the sixth division
but by the time the astral being..reaches that division,
his astral body is growing weak.

He is losing his grip on locality..and coming more..*under the influence*of condition.

Most astrals..hardly see it,..because their astral_body wilts away and..their spirit soars..onwards..into the spirit-plane.

"Before leaving the subject of*..place,..I should add
that there is a strong tendency..for the layers..which represent say,..London in the past..to correspond*,,roughly with
London..of the present...as..on the earth.