This is a thread about spirits of the netherworld. Nothing to do with Jinny who pushed her agenda in here.

TPP, I'm not sure why you are confused. Of course people can discuss the issue of parental rights, but not on this thread because it isn't about that.

But a number of people on the other thread treated Jinny and each other in a way that was flaming. You don't get to argue whether you agree with me about whether it was flaming or not. Or on or off topic. Because doing either just repeats the original problem. And if there was defamation or another legal problem involved recreates the legal problem that had already been removed.

It's just a variation on the "no correspondence will be entered into" rule.

Now, if you want to talk about moderation in a general sense, start another thread. Anymore conversation about moderation on this thread will be treated as off-topic and will be removed and a penalty may be applied.

piper..further it reads..they..EVENTUALLY do get awoken
but mostly..their..WISH..is respected..i will finish..and try to find the quote

danniel..this isnt..morbid..it reveals..we ALL live again
do the things..WE CHOSE to do...that our will/id..person we were survives

this was..the first division...in which..this..had been*attempted.

“Seeing a theater,..and asking my guide..if I might enter it,..he permitted me to do so,..himself waiting outside.

As I entered..I saw one of the inhabitants of the city..and spoke to
him...He seemed slightly taken aback,..and said:..“‘We’ve not been introduced!’

“‘Oh,..damn it,..what does that matter?!’..I replied.
“‘Please*..do not swear!’..he answered.

“‘I apologized,..and then asked him..
what sort of plays were shown..in this*city.’

“‘All sorts,..so long as they are not improper.

We will not permit any suggestion of/impropriety..here.
Nothing vulgar..or immoral..is permitted.

All our plays..and music-halls..are conducted..on the best-principles.’

“I...‘That’s the first time..since I’ve been..in Hell..
that I’ve heard people object to..impropriety.’

“He looked pained.
“‘I wish you would not use that word.

There is..no such place..as Hell,..
and..certainly we..*are not..in it.’

“‘Oh,..Don’t talk nonsense..,’..I began..‘All this realm..*is Hell,..so what’s the use of..pretending it isn’t...I’ve been long enough..in Hell..to know*..that.’

“‘Stranger,’..he replied,..‘who are you,..and from where do you come?’

“So I told him briefly my history...As I went on..he slowly drew away from me,
and at length broke in with..‘That’s enough,..thank you...Either you are a liar..or a villain...I know*perfectly well..I’m not in Hell.

I suppose..I’m still on earth,..but anyway..I never have..associated with scoundrels,..and I am not going to begin now...Good-day,..and let me give you..a piece of advice,..which I do out of the kindness of my heart..[I always was a kindhearted-man]..Don’t tell that story to anyone else here,..or they will have you thrown/over the battlements,’..and he made off.

“I went into the theater...A musical comedy was being performed...A poorer show I’ve
hardly ever seen...The music was not*absolutely discordant,..as it is in the other divisions..of Hell,..but it was feeble stuff...The very worst kind of so-called popular music.

Plot..?..there was none,
and the whole show..was so banal..and trashy,
that I cleared out..at the end of the first scene.

I noticed that the audience..seemed as bored as I was,..but nevertheless..they stayed on.

“Next I tried...

a music-hall..which advertised outside..that its show was..‘A most Refined/entertainment...Funny*..without being Vulgar.’..It certainly wasn’t funny,..and it certainly was,..to my thinking,..intensely vulgar..not indecent,..but just vulgar.

Low comedians..of the worst type,..vapid songs,..silly aimless tricks
in short,..absolute trash...“

On coming out,..which I did very quickly,..I came to a concert-hall

Here at least,..I thought,..I may see something worth seeing,..or at any rate hear it.

But no;..of all the banal-twaddle..I think that concert was the worst.

“I left as quickly as I could,..and seeing a picture-gallery,..entered it..*without expecting/much satisfaction,..and was not disappointed...All the rubbishy pictures in the world..seemed to have been gathered together..and hung on the walls..of this ugly,..pretentious-building.

“I then returned to my guide,..who had,..as it were,..concealed his natural-brightness,and,..led by him,..made my way through mean streets..towards the center of the town.

Here..I entered a very ugly..brick church..built in the pseudo-Gothic style...

but that bit..is over here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4008&page=0
or here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11183&page=0

anyhow i go..to search the sleeper
that was awoken..quote...

see that we have freewill
that if you cHOSE..to sleep
or pretend..your dead..this is YOUR RIGHT

if i awake you..then im responsable...can even get sent to hell..for doing it..maliciously...we MUST each retain our freewill...its a law

vodaphne has taken-over..my internets_server..[intermitant service only]...getting difficult..to access web

thus read pages 17..27..for more..re-sleepers
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Wanderer_a4.pdf

The limitations..to a man's own indulgence..and the extent..to which he can infringe/upon the rights of others,..are regulated by the amount..of law..and order..existing in the sphere..to which he belongs.

For example,..in the lowest sphere of all,..where no law prevails but the law of the strongest oppressor,..you may do what you please;..you may injure..or oppress another..to the very last limits of his endurance,..and those who are stronger than you..will do the same to you.

The most oppressed slaves..on earth are less/unhappy than those whom I have seen..in the lowest sphere of all,..where no law prevails and where only/those spirits..are to be found who have defied all laws of God..or man

and have-been..a law to themselves..exercising the most boundless oppression..and wrong..towards their neighbors.

In those spheres which I shall shortly describe,..it seems that strong,..cruel and oppressive..as a spirit may*be,..there is always found..someone still stronger..to oppress..*him,

some one..still-more..crueler,..more-still wickeder.. still more oppressive,..till at last..you arrive at those..who may truly be said to reign in hell—[Kings..and Emperors of Evil!]

And it goes on..till-at last..the very excess..of evil will work its own cure.

The worst..and most tyrannical..will*..long*for..some other state of things,..some laws/to restrain,..*some power to control;

*and that feeling*..will be the first step,
the first desire..for a better*life,

which will give the Brothers of Hope..sent to work in those dark spheres,..the little loophole..through which to give the idea of
improvement,..and the hope*..that it is*still..possible for them.

As the spirit..progresses upwards..there will be found..in each circle/sphere/realm/..on each step..of the ladder of progress..an increased*degree of law..and order prevailing,

to which he*will..be ready to conform himself,
as he expects..others to conform..where the laws affect him.

The perfect_observance..of the highest moral-laws..is found only in the highest spheres,..but there are many degrees of observance,..and he who respects..the rights of others..*will find his rights respected,

while..he who tramples/upon his neighbor
will in turn be trampled upon..by the stronger ones.

In all respects..man in the spirit world..is free to work..or to be idle,..to do good..or to do evil,..to win..a blessing..{or a curse.}

Such as he is,..such will*be..his surroundings,..

and the sphere..for which he is fitted..must*..ever be the highest..to which he can attain..*till his own*efforts..fit him to become..a dweller in one..higher.

Thus the good..need no protection/against the evil..in the spirit world...Their own different_states..place an*insurmountable_barrier between them.

Those above..can always descend..at*will..to visit..or help those below/them,..but between them..and the lower-spirits..there is a great gulf..that the lower ones..*cannot pass.

Only/upon your earth..and on other material-planets..where material life exists,..can there be the mixture of..good and evil..*in-fluences..with almost*..equal power.

I say almost equal,..since even on earth..the good have the greater
power,..unless man shuts himself/out..*from*..their aid..by the indulgence of..*his lower passions.

In days of old..when men's hearts were simple/as little children's, the spirit world..lay close*at..their doors..and they knew it not, but now..men have drifted far from it.. and are like mariners upon a raft,..who are..*seeking now..again through fog..and mist to find it.

Kind pilots..of the spirit world..are striving to..guide..and
help them..to reach that..*radiant-land..that they may bring back..a bright store of hope*..and light..for the weary-strugglers..upon earth

jinny/quote..<<Legal aid..have advised me..that they cannot do this...But they are...Why?..Should I just-not..say anything about this?..Advice>>

its no use...complaining..its time for doing
time to get together referances..[in writing..by people that
know you..and the kids]..that decalre..'legaly'..that your a
good-person..good/parent...etc]

these items...must*be submitted..to the court...[origonals]
and..copies sent to the prostitutor...etc

clearly court..has made*..an order...till that order is met..you
effectivly have no rights...but its..{the scam}..is more
clever..than this...see this all is based on a fiction

we created this fiction...whenever*..we put our...'mark*'...on
any*..paper
[its really the mark/of the beast*]...ie

it takes a living-being...and makes them...an id..[the id you yourself created..in responding..or initiating...govt interaction]

for most of us this is done...at birth..[our parents..filled
in a form...declaring under oath...you need to be
registerd...[cleve4r aint it..how we need to
regester...cars..pets...kids..etc

anyhow..BECAUSE..you [or your parents...regesterd..you]..you
fall under a govt act...[which one depends on just egsactly
what you applied..[apply means beg]...according to
which..item*..[chattle*]..you begged*..to regester]

see regestering a thing..means it belongs to govt
thus you regester*..your marrage..your*.."a chattle"..under the
marrage-act

regester your kids..their under the birth_act
regester your car...[cars aint vehicles]...only vehicles[doing
business need regestering...but if you do...thats under the
transport_act

even say people come here...they NEED to sign..their mark..on
some form..or other...[say the customs-'act'..or the
imagration-'act'...or the voters-'act'...etc etc]

anyhow thats why..they can do what they do
YOU had*..to have *signed..your*mark..[of the beast]

in doing so..you created a fiction..and a lie..!

[the law presumes:..you wont deliberatly...lie..about being
UNDER..an act..[which is something only govt
workers/polititions/docters/business..and others

*seeking..'ADVANTAGE*/powers*/authority*'..under the act

anyhow..you created...*a legal...'person*'...
that you think is you..*but its only a legal entity..
it*..dosnt have*life..in/of..it-self

it is..infact..a coorperation..[corperations..have their
corp/name..in *capital-letters...
[living people only capitalise their first letter]

anyhow

thats some of the reason...how

you replied to the capital...LETTER_NAME...
as if..*dead-entity..[*corperation]

acting as its agent...
then failed to declare..you*are acting..*as agent

anyhow its a bit more complicated..but there you go
thats how*..govt gets the power..we signed it away

now let the really smart people explain...
what to do..about it all