OUG You are not discussing the topic and are discussing jinny's position. That diversion is finished.

philo i am replying a question re life/death
we cannot fully grasp death/..
without discussing the events of life

im not the one raising the question

only giving reply...[a reply
others saw the means of removing..by poluting the..'other'..topic]

never the less the comment...
relates to this topic...because it replies a question
that arose*..from this discussion...let it go...

let the comment be judged in its own place..here...[it seems to have run its course..at any rate...[i wont say it was destracted...but its all relivant]..life in spirit..reflects life hereafter

its getting dificult to post
due to internet..'sir_vice-provider'...lol.. slowing down my service

i made a comment...
you formed an opinion

its you that created..the joinder
not me..

This is the spirit, see the changes, the positive spirit. The spirits that led me here to listen to the other spirit whisper their secrets to me unknowingly, to teach me what I did not know. The spirits that makes it posible to give me the energy to do what I have to do. You put a smile on my face. They are all arounf you, I know, because I believe.

There is no heaven and hell. If you believe there is evil, then there will be evil. If you believe in god, there will be god. Our paths were already set out from the day life was given to us. However you try to fight this, u will not win.

Love conquers all, if there is no love, there is no hope. I have seen how many care, I know how many are making a difference. Dang! If I write anymore here, what am I going to be left with when I start working on my books? Forgive the ones that have caused you wrong, as they have their own reasons for making those choices.

This is my view. I respect ur views. Cheers and stay positive :)

jinny has given me feedback..in real-time
[this real-time..is the link between god...and our living spirit's]

while we disagree...in many aspects...
its a marrage of oppisites..that gives good-fruit
illistrates..the sustaining nature of oppisites
the opposing basis..of heaven/hell

even just in the names..we use...jinny..being the one..and i the other...and even when we get it totally wrong..we yet circulate the life_energy..into a good*use...serving both our needs..and yours.

to quote...jinny..<<..The spirits..>>.[i would have wrote spirit}..<<that makes it posible..to give me the energ..to do what I have to do.>>.as this feeds my energy too..i will continue

<<You put a smile..on my face.>>.ok im seeing a smug/smirk..but lets continue

<<They>>..i would have wrote,..'he'..<<are all around you>>
i would add..he is..but then agree.<<,I know,..because I believe.>>

to which i say...our belief is sacred
regardless of where we differ...
it is in our..*simularity..god..[spirit]..is revealed

<<There is..no heaven..and hell.>>
mine..says...except..that we*create...in our life-experiences
[energy..cannot be created..NOR destroyed...

[thus living spirits..MUST continue..their spirit-energy...'being'
some*where...
[for want of..a better word..i chose to call these..opposites..heaven/hell]

<<..If you believe*..there is*evil,..then there..*will be evil>>
i say regardless if we believe....or not..things can be called..[believed]..to be..good..or bad....

[this enlarges..into the good...seeking out the good..{in spirit}..and the bad..seeking out ways/means..to realise their love of..their vile..

<<If you*believe..in god,..there will be god.>>
and if you hope there isnt..you will..in time form a new OPINION.

time makes changes..but the only..thing that dosnt change..is good[god]..the cause..underlying our spirit-being..[no god..no spirit..no life]

<<Our paths..were already set out
from the day..life was given to us>>.
i will agree...in a generalised manner...but the specifics..they are up to us...[BUT lets take your statement..FURTHER...jinny.

WHO?..WHAT?..set this path...out?
one spirit...many spirits...

continued..

*ONE..or many?

..or all spirits..acting of one mind?
atonement..[at-one-meant]

<<However you try..to fight this,..u will not win.>>
im a lover...your the..fighter
and never the twain shall meet..i dont..*need to win
i just love playing the game..

<<Love conquers all,>>...love that con-queers..isnt love

if we love conquering..then we love the*win...
[to win..others must loose]..

love MUST not have a winner..[whiner]..nor looser

we agree<<..if there is no love,..there is no hope.>>
where love is..nothing*ELSE..can*..come-in
where there is hope..{for love}..there is hope for something better

<<I have seen..how many care,>>
but also..i have seen..how many..couldnt care...less*
i dont focus..on their negativity...but must realise we are all different...because..this is my life-path..as theirs is theirs

<<I know..how many..are making a difference.>>
AND ALSO..THE MANY..WHO DONT..[darn cap-loc]..<Dang!>

<<Forgive..the ones..that have caused you wrong,>>
turn..the other cheek...who judges..right..or wrong..do they judge rightly..or wrongly..just thinking the question gets your theory wrong

<<they have their own reasons..for making those*choices.>.
have their..*own..reasonings...fears..
learnings/earnings..[life-path]

<<I respect ur views.>>
and i love your fearlesness
no more i love your strength

no...[must focus..on the words]
yes..{got-it]..i RESPECT..your vieuw..TOO

<<Cheers..and stay positive..:)>..
dont change jinny*
couldnt if we tried

change the need to change..[for a real change]..
and thus..*be the change.,.you need others to*be

DESCRIBES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
THE SPIRIT AND THE ASTRAL PLANES

Nov.12th,1917
shall we start the survey of the astral plane

let me give an introduction.

;The first point you must realize is the great difference between astral..and the spirit planes.

;Let us consider the spirit plane first.

These differences strike the investigator at once:
;1...Matter has vanished entirely.
2...Space is non-existent.
3...Time..is nearly..non-existent..although there is something akin to chronological-order.

To make my meaning plain,..consider Hell.
Hell..is not a place...It is a condition.

The evil spirit..quits the astral plane-
that is to say,..he leaves astral body and ceases to be
visible..to the denizens of the astral.

It is quite possible..that he is still on the same spot as he
was at time before,..if you can so use the word,..just as a dead-man may haunt the earth,invisible to most.

Ill prove this statement of mine.
He ceased and suddenly..his form grew wan,became thin like paper,..tore in shreds,..and vanished.

Mother shrieked,and R.L.W sat Spell-bound and horror-struck.

Good heavens!..he ejaculated,I hope he has not left us..for good.

J.W...I have never seen him do that before;but I know I can find him if I return to earth,..leave my astral form here, and go out to the spirit plane...

We were still debating what we should do,..when I perceived a mist near/where..he had sat...It grew thicker and denser.. By degrees it became almost a solid mound.

Then the mound moved,..and began to pulsate...Slowly it changed into the form of a man,..and there once more was H.J.L..back amongst us.

He was standing a few yards away from the chair upon which
he had been seated...That was the only difference.

Mother:..I wish you would not play these tricks,.they are so startling...You gave me a fearful-shock.

H.J.L...smiled,and said,..I did it..to bring home my point.
So far as I am aware,..I never/moved away from this point,..yet I vanished,..as you saw,..and my astral body disintegrated.

Of course,..I am not a real denizen..of this plane,
so it's the easier.;
J.W.;..What landscape did you see?
H.J.L...I found myself..seated..in my study..in the Twilight-Land.

;Well,..to continue...This..*evil-spirit..immediately drifts into the company..of..other evil-spirits..of an simular/equally evil-nature