"Let us now..briefly consider..the question of..*time.

We have a very fair chronological-order..which
in our cases,..I mean R.L.W...and myself,..is aided by the recurrence of..your weekly visits.

At the same time,..as we have no physical sun..we have no simple timegauge..as earth folk have."

J.W.started,..and said..."But if you have no sun.
what is the light..I see?"

H.J.L."The astral_sun..which does not follow..*exactly the same hours as..the physical sun, and..the more material the division..into which it has to penetrate,..the less..true-light..is received.

Thus..there is no light..in the two lowest divisions which are,..as it were,..*within the earth.

Even..the third division,..which is,..*remember
the earth..as seen by the astral_being,..is comparatively dark.

Dreamland..is inclined to..a soft twilight,..though some parts,..{those nearest to the fifth-division,}..are fairly bright.

"When we reach..the fifth..and sixth divisions..we find
an abundance of light,..and so too..in the..highest-division.

When the astral being..passes out of..his astral body
into the spirit plane,..he no longer*perceives astral sunlight.

You know..the cause of light there;..and how those who have failed
to develop their spiritual_nature..*are unable to enter the brighter divisions.

"But to continue about time.

It is far more fluidic..than it is on earth..in one sense,..yet in
another sense..one sometimes is inclined to think..that it has stood still..in certain parts of the astral_plane.

Thus one enters the Ice Age area one finds men and animals which must have..entered it thousands of years ago..still behaving just as they did at the time of that longforgotten epoch.

"These are examples of its curious stability.
But I fancy it’s caused by the old law of..’Condition;

The savages have created an Ice Age atmosphere,..as it were.
Then,..again,we have no set seasons...You realized that when we visited that splendid garden.

Again,..our feelings cause some periods of earth time..to drag*..for a great while.

R.L.W...here broke in,.."Yes,..the time that passed..between my death and..your first visit..*seemed enormous —..almost as long as your first visit until now."

I..(J.W.)..nodded sympathetically.
H.J.L...continued..."Now,..I don’t suppose..I have..covered all the ground...I ought have..in this..introduction.. but I have given enough..to enable a start..to be made.

Further points..*can be...elucidated..as we go on."
http://www.ghostcircle.com/ebooks/JSM_Ward%20-%20A_Subaltern_In_Spirit_Lands.pdf

jinny,
UOG is in a state of fantacy, dont concern yourself.

Division 1,..which I call the ante-chamber of Hell,..is a dismal place, ..and I have not*visited it myself,..but you have..[see page 53].

Men/shape..form's..are seldom,..if ever,..found there.
Only when falling..*into Hell..do they enter and pass through it,.and most of them,..as in the case of..the Officer,..see nothing of its condition.

It is the battle-ground..of all the evil passions..which
sink there from earth..or rise there...*out of Hell.

Many of them become personified,..as you know,..and
the other denizens..are the lowest and vilest form of elementals.
It is a perfect nightmare land..with no buildings or semi-physical features..a weltering waste of..raging,evil passions.

"To keep these in check,..and prevent them..from overflowing onto the earth,the astral plane,..and even the twilight land..of the spirit plane,..spirits of light descend*..and do battle with the powers of darkness.

"Its borders are ever fluctuating,..the powers of darkness constantly overflow into the second_division,..and even penetrate through it in places..and enter the earth division..and the land of the..dreamers.

"They never reach the fifth division."
H.J.L..."The reaction of the struggle.. however,..is sometimes felt on..*the lowest edge of the twilight..land,..as J can bear witness."

R.L.W..."The second division..is the division of evil mortals*..who sink into the various sins of..*obsession...It's..a dark and murky air,..and is a fair counterpart..of Hell..*on the astral plane.

"There are no buildings..on this division,..nor any animals.
yet many human/beast type schimera..[such as man/beast..of egypt]

"The landscape,..if so we can call it,..consists of great canyons,..with high precipices..dank caves...and vile swamps...Amid these canyons..lurk degenerate mortals..who are fast drifting into Hell.

There is..a little dirty-water in parts,..and slime..and filth everywhere.

"By means of..*obsession..its inhabitants,..do escape on-to..the earth division...folowing vile thoughts..and there prey..upon human beings..who are still in the flesh.

Their victims are..for the most part..drinksodden/drug addled..and egotists..criminals,..and their favorite hunting ground..is some moral-slum..on earth.

They crowd/round drinking dens..and houses of ill-repute.
There they urge on..the criminal and debased to fleshly excesses,
and entwining themselves..with their victims..gain a vicarious gratification of..their burning desires...[obsessing]

to show..the link between...spirit...and earth

..[covering..the earth period...between 3 dec..11 dec.1917]
lets begin..at CHAPTER vii
OPPOSITION TO THE OFFICER
"When I reported to the Officer,..he said,

’I must warn you that the powers of Darkness..have organized themselves..very much on the same lines as we have done.

"’Indeed,..there is no doubt/that..they have deliberately copied our system...Their followers dress as much like us as possible.. have adopted our system of officers,..and endeavor to get hold of the "newly slain"..by pretending to be their friends.

"’Here is a man..whom we have just rescued from their clutches.’

"He indicated a young sub-lieutenant..whose name I won’t give for obvious reasons.

"The Officer said,,..’Just repeat your story,..will you?’

anyhow...
the climax is a bit further along
but here is what was..going down...here on earth

http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/dec/07.htm

as for the spirit story....behind it...its in the previous link
i just gave the starting point...do with it as you chose

it must link with fatima
but im still researching that bit..

feel free to rebut*

i will continue to ignore name-calling
and those...who think its all a joke

THE MIRACLE
As a great sign of the whole message truly coming from God,..a marvelous miracle was worked in the sky above Fatima before 70,000 witnesses on October 13, 1917..[the same time..the stories quoted abouve were transmitted]

at the time, date and place that Lucy and the other two children had prophesised in the name of Our Lady of Fatima. The children were told by Our Lady that God would perform a miracle so that people would believe in the apparitions.

The date the children was October 13, 1917, in Fatima...On that date, 70,000 people came to see the phenomenon...The miracle occured with the sun.

All could stare perfectly at the sun without blinking,..or even hurting heir eyes...While all were watching the sun, it rotated,..got large and small,..got close to the people,..and got far away from them.

The sun " danced ". Every single person who was there testified to seeing the sun dance, even non- believers who immediately dropped onto their knees and begged for forgiveness..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_F%C3%A1tima

there are some strange linkages...in all this
as well as clear errors...[like calling her..the mother of god]
god has no mother...and jesus isnt god..

but the linkage to russia is clear...by her own words
thats why i posted the previous link

anyhow
i go to read
compare...and join some dots...for my own benifit..

[its how i pass the time]

the third secret? ..[the rhyme of the rosey]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Secrets_of_F%C3%A1tima#Third_Secret_controversy

'In Portugal,..[fatima]..the dogma of the Faith..will always be preserved.'

Lucia..is reported to have explicitly stated..that the Third Secret contains Apocalyptic content...According to one source,..when Lucia was asked about the Third Secret,..she said it was.."in the Gospels and in the Apocalypse",

and at one point she had even specified..Apocalypse chapters 8 to 13, a range that includes Apocalypse 12:4,..the chapter and verse cited by Pope John Paul II in his homily in Fatima on 13 May 2000.

"In the Third Secret..it is foretold,..among other things,
that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top."

In addition,..Fr. Malachi Martin stated..that the Third Secret
"doesn't make any sense unless we accept that there will be, or that there is in progress, a wholesale apostasy amongst clerics,..and laity in the Catholic Church ...".

the Third Secret involves the "importance of the novissimi"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_time

,..and "dangers threatening the faith...*..and the life..of the Christian serving the goods of love grace mercy..of neighbour and god..and therefore..(the life)..of the world."

"The work's of evil..will infiltrate..even into the Church..in such a way that one will see cardinals..opposing cardinals,..bishops,..against bishops.

The priests who venerate..good/truth/grace/mercy..will be scorned and opposed by their confreres..churches and altars sacked from within;..the Church will be full of those who accept compromises..and demon's..will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord."

the Third Secret..of Fatima had to do with..the internal problems of the Catholic Church."

the last pope would be under control of Satanist's..[wolves in sheeps clothing]......those who honour good..with their lips..not their hearts...

Fr. Martin..said;..Catholic prelates in Rome,..who belong to Satan...They're servants of Satan...And the servants of Satan outside the Church,..in various organizations;..want to destroy the Catholicism of the Church,..and keep it..as a stabilizing factor in human affairs.

It's an alliance...A dirty alliance,..a filthy alliance,..but a very good alliance."
[good is used relitivly...as in it's aleigance...seemingly..has the highest 'cause'
but via the lowest-means...[seeking good from bad..is futile]..