oh and... don't mix up suicidal and murder...

you live in your own word, it's not fair for you to go on about this when others do not live in the same.

I looked at your post and read the links. Do not live in the past. live in the present. Work on the future.

Stay strong, and get off those websites...

lets quote from..a work..of science*
http://new-birth.net/booklet/30_years_among_the_dead.PDF

Inter-Relationship..of the Two_Worlds

The reality..of an invisible_world..surrounding the physical_world
is for many..difficult to comprehend,..since the mind sphere..is often limited to the visible..and tangible;

however,..it requires but little thought..to realize the constant change of matter*..as it occurs in three forms,..solid,..liquid..and gaseous,..*in its range..back and forth..*between the visible..and
invisible.

Visible nature..is but..the invisible,{cause}..the Real,
made manifest..{tangable/real}..through a combination of its
elements;..science informs*us..that fully ninety-five per cent of vegetation..is derived..*out of the air,..or atmosphere.

Is not mankind..living at the bottom-of..an invisible ocean,..the
atmosphere,*..which is..*even more important..to physical existence*..than any*of..the visible-physical substances,

*since life can continue..but a few moments*..out of it?

Nitrogen gas,..constituting the greater bulk/of..the atmosphere,..enters vitally*..*into..vegetable and animal growth..and existence.

Hydrogen..and oxygen gases*..are constantly/changing..from a state of invisible vapor..to visible..*and solid form...Carbon offers another
example of*..similar transformation.

Sounds,..odors,..the thermic law*..of heat..and cold...and multitudes of other phenomena,..ranging from the infinitesimal{unseen]..*electron..to the energy..*which moves the planets..and suns,..are all*..intangible,..invisible*..factors.

All activities,..whether chemical,vital or mental,..*operate invisibly,..as observed in..chemical affinity,..in energy,..in plant life,..in animal life,..in intelligence and mentalization.

So..in every department of our manifest physical-nature
it is evident..that all elements have..their root..*and permanence..*in the invisible.

The invisible*..is the source of*..the visible.

Thus..when we realize..that the objective..is only a combination of invisible substances*..and forces,..the existence of..*an unseen-world..is readily comprehensible.

Considering the wonderful advancement of science..into the field of nature's..*finer..{unseen}.forces,..it is*inconceivable..that any thinking mind*..can fail to recognize..the rationale..*of the independent..CAUSAL-existence..of the human*{cause},..spirit..egsisting,.,.UNSEEN..within*..*then..apart from..the physical_body.

No subject has been better authenticated..through the ages..and in all literature*..than that of spirit existence..and that of..a future life.

Fiske,..the historian,says:..“Among all races of men,..as far as can now be determined,*..ancestor worship”..(contact with the spirits of the departed)..*“was the earliest form of*..worship..{prevailing in Africa,Asia,China,Japan,..among the Aryans of Europe..and
the American Indian tribes.”}

Allen,..in his..“History of Civilization”..writes:..“Rude tribes..the world over..*are found to have..*ideas of a human-soul,*..a spirit world,*..and generally..a belief in immortality.

Savages consider..the next life..simply..*a continuation of this;..they also recognize*..an other self*..which has mysterious powers.

Death..is the abandoning of the material_body..by this mysterious*..other self,..which is conceived of..*as still existing..in the near neighborhood...{proximity..to the remaining..'living'}presence

The loves..and hates..*of this world..are transferred to the spirit world.”

Confucius said:..“Bemoan not*..the departed with excessive grief.
The dead..are devoted..and faithful friends;..they are*..*ever associated with us.”

The writers..of classic times..Socrates,Herodotus,Sophocles,Euripides,Plato,..Aristotle, Horace,Virgil,Plutarch,Josephus,Maximus of Tyre..*repeatedly refer to spirit*existence..as a well known fact.

Cicero wrote:..“Is not..almost all*heaven..filled with the human?..Those very gods themselves..*had their original..here below,..and ascended from*hence into heaven.”

That early Christianity..recognized spirits..is too well authenticated in the writings of St.Anthony,Tertullian,Origen and their contemporaries to require emphasis.

The Bible is replete..with references to spirit existence...“We also are compassed about..with so great a cloud of witnesses.”..Heb.12:1...“Beloved,..believe not every spirit..* but
try the spirits,..whether they are..*of God.”

1 John..4:1...“The spirits of just men..*made perfect.”
Heb...12:23...“There is a natural_body..and there is a spiritual body..First that which is natural,..and afterward that which is spiritual.”..1 Cor...15:44,46.

Many other similar biblical citations might be given.

Swedenborg contributed volumes on this subject.

Dr...Samuel Johnson said:..“I do not..*believe in spirits
I have*seen..too many of them.”

John Wesley wrote in..“The Invisible World”:..“It is true that the English in general..indeed most of the men..of learning in Europe..have given up..all accounts of witches and apparitions as mere old wives' fables.

I am sorry for it,..and I willingly take this opportunity to offer my solemn protest against this violent compliment which so many
that believe in the Bible pay to those who do not believe it.

Such belief is in direct opposition,..not only to the Bible,..but to the suffrage of the wisest..and best of men in all ages and nations.

They well know that the giving up of witchcraft
is in effect giving up..the Bible.”

That psychic phenomena occurred at the house of Mr. Samuel Wesley, father of Rev.John Wesley,..at Epworth, and continued with noises and disturbances of various kinds..for many months,is well known.

Shakespeare,..Milton,Wordsworth,Tennyson,..Longfellow,
and many other poets wrote..with profound understanding..of the continued existence of man...

We are all familiar..with the convincing results of the psychical research work of modern scientists,..philosophers,..ministers,..physicians,..psychologists and other investigators

Prof. Crookes,..Alfred Wallace,..Sir Oliver Lodge,..Sir Arthur Conan Doyle,..Rev. R.J.Campbell,..Archdeacon Colley,..Rev. Newton,..Rev. Savage,..W.T. Stead,Camille Flammarion,..Dr. Baraduc,..Dr.Janet,Prof.Richet,..Cesare Lombroso,.Dr.
Hodgson,.Dr. I.K. Funk,..Prof.James,..Prof.Hyslop,..Dr. Carrington and many others.

Dr. Thomas J. Hudson, author of “The Law of Psychic Phenomena,” wrote: “The man
who denies the phenomena of spiritualism today is not entitled to be called a skeptic, he
is simply ignorant.”

The Rev. Dr. George M. Searle, Rector of the Catholic Church of St. Paul the
Apostle, New York City, said: “The reality of the existence of spirits in modern spiritism
is no longer an open question, even among scientific men who have examined the
subject.

Any one who considers the manifestation of them as mere humbug, trickery or
delusion, is simply not up to date.”

“In our times no one denies the real existence of spiritualistic facts, except a few who
live with their feet on the earth and their brains in the moon,” wrote G. G. Franco, S. J.,
in “Civilta Cattolica.”

“Spiritistic phenomena are external facts which fall within the
range of the senses and can easily be observed by all, and when such facts are attested by
so many well informed and credible witnesses, it is useless, as well as foolish and
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ridiculous, to fight against proved evidence.

The facts remain assured, even for
reasonable men.”

The spiritual world and the physical world are constantly intermingling; the spiritual
plane is not a vague intangibility but is real and natural, a vast zone of refined substance,
of activity and progress, and life there is a continuation of life in the physical world.

On
the physical plane of expression the soul obtains knowledge through experience and
contact with objective things, and intelligence finds itself by manifesting through
physical organs; in the spiritual plane progression of the individual continues, the mind
unfolding along lines of reason, through spontaneity of service, the attainment and
appreciation of high ideals and an ever broadening conception of life's purpose.

"Dr. Thomas J. Hudson, author of “The Law of Psychic Phenomena,” wrote: “The man who denies the phenomena of spiritualism today is not entitled to be called a skeptic, he is simply ignorant.”"

Does he get attacked in public very often?

Is it denying spiritualism or denying the phenomena is proof of the spiritual rather than something more, well... down to earth?

I watched a TV program about people in church and their brains start releasing some checmical that gives them feelings we spiritual laypeeps probably call oneness with everybody else, they feel their gods presence etc.

Upshot was chemicals caused it, simple ones we release when focused on a belief that makes us happy.

But the program at the end did ask the question of whether humans were wired up that way specifically to "believe" or if we happen to "believe" because we evolved these chemicals and religion is a good vehical for them?

The change called “death,”..the word..*is a misnomer..universally regarded with/gloomy fear,..occurs so naturally and simply that the greater number,..after passing out of*..the physical are..*not aware..that the transition..has been made,

and having no knowledge of..a spiritual{after}..life..they are totally unconscious..of having passed..*into another state of being.

Deprived of their physical-sense/organs,..they are shut out from the physical light,..and lacking,..*a mental perception of the high purpose of existence,.these individuals are
spiritually blind*..and find themselves in a twilight condition -

the “outer darkness”..mentioned in the Bible -and linger in the realm known as..the Earth Sphere.{here}

Death..does not make
a saint..of a sinner,.;
nor a sage..of a fool.

The mentality is the
same*..as before and individuals carry with*them..their old*desires, habits,..dogmas,..faulty_teachings,..indifference..or disbelief in a future life.

“As a man thinketh..in his heart,.so is
he.”..Prov.23:7.

Assuming spirit forms..which are the result of their..thought life on earth,..millions...remain for a time*..in the earth-sphere,..and often..*in the environment..*of their earth lives,.still held by their..old-habits..or human..interests.

“Where your treasure is..there will your heart be..*also.”..Matt.6:21.

Those who have progressed..to the higher spirit world
ever endeavor to enlighten these..earthbound spirits,..but the latter,..*due to preconceptions..concerning the hereafter,..labor
under the delusion/that the departed are..*“dead,”.or are “ghosts,” and..*often refuse to..recognize their friends..*or to realize their own condition.

Many are in a state of heavy sleep,..others are lost or confused; troubled minds may be haunted..by fear of the strange darkness,..those conscience stricken suffer..in anguish or
remorse..for their,..earth conduct;

some,..impelled by selfish..or evil inclinations,..seek an
outlet for their tendencies/desires..,remaining in this condition until these destructive desires are/outgrown,..

when the soul cries out for understanding..and light,
and progressed spirits arethus..able to reach them..and aid them.

Lacking physical bodies..through which to carry out earthly propensities many..discarnate..[disincarnate}..intelligences are attracted to the magnetic light..*which emanates from*..mortals,*

and,..*consciously or unconsciously.. attach themselves*..to these magnetic auras,..finding an avenue of expression..through influencing,..obsessing*..or possessing human beings..

[this work SPECIFICLY deals..with removing/assisting..them..!]