Boaz, I strongly recommend that you review your new policy of endorsing every overseas right-wing nutter movement that you discover on your interwebs.

You clearly know absolutely nothing about the soccer hooligan "crew" mentality. To help your education along, Google "MIG Crew".

This is one place the trail could lead you:

http://pibillwarner.wordpress.com/2010/04/06/tommy-robinson-of-the-english-defence-league-edl-is-recruiting-nazis-drunken-football-thugs-and-skinheads/

Perhaps surprisingly to you, it does not come from the left-wing mainstream media (like the Daily Mail... I'm still laughing at that one) but from a private detective in Sarasota, Fl.

It contains direct quotes from "Tommy Robinson", the self-styled founder of EDL, which flatly contradict your assertion that "They (The EDL) are not out to cause violent confrontation."

For example:

"What does unite the EDL group is a willingness to fight said Robinson. 'We feel that only people with that mentality will go [to demonstrate],' he said. 'That’s why it’s all lads.'"

So, whom to believe? Boaz, at a safe distance of 17,350km from Newcastle, or the founder of the "movement"?

>>Pericles... my mention of Alabama is in a broad sense where 'State Troopers' are the equivalent of the Midlands PC police who are oppressing partiotic Brits.<<

That's almost on a par with your earlier Nelson Mandela reference, Boaz.

In your genuine - and quite forgivable - ignorance of the true nature of these EDL people, you equate a peaceful march of unarmed southern townsfolk demonstrating for civil rights, with a bunch of soccer thugs out for a day's wog-bashing.

Shame on you.

>>As you know..I've been attacked myself... by a hard core commy woman.<<

Did you stomp on her head, though?

If not, what stopped you?

Think about that for a moment.

Dear Pericles....

honestly....you know not from where I am coming :)

If you think I just latch onto and them place my 'faith' in such movements you are sadly mistaken. I see them as useful, and providing grounds for rational debate. How they act is up to them and the law.

I don't think I've declared them 'pure as a vestal political virgin' socially or politically...have I ?

As to them being 'Soccer Hooligans' about which I am supposed to know so little.. well.. duh....You must think I just scan headlines and never read further afield or deeper...

The EDL are an expression of the current social reality and discontent in the UK.. I think they are reacting to something of a 'highland clearances' mentality by the elite who don't care squat about English Identity. It seems to me that you rather 'fit' that 'elite' type. (but hopefully I'm wrong about that)

It surprises me that you go to such lengths to 'prove' something which is absurdly obvious to anyone who has been around the traps a bit, and that you expend so much energy 'proving' for the side of politics which has far less to account for than the leftist lunatic/thug fringe which always stirs up the EDL.

Seriously...you don't have to 'prove' to me they have some dodgy characters.. I totally believe it. Just like I believe Mandela's youth was peppered with communist agitators using/being part of the ANC with a view to revolution. They were murderers, maniacs, militants and morons and the such like. (but hey...they did prevail)

Why not do some analysis of HopeNotHate/UAF/Searchlight see if they have a few 'sins' hmmm? Why not look at the ECONOMIC sins of Brown and other left wing politicians hmmm? Why not look more at the scumbag Union (capitalist) elite ? Now that would be a totally worthy exercise.

The simple fact that the world is moving to a more conservative/right posture politically should tell you something about where the EDL fit in. Of course you will be watching the US mid terms....yes?

All things considered, Boaz, that is rather an elegant apology.

>>Seriously...you don't have to 'prove' to me they have some dodgy characters.. I totally believe it<<

Given that you claimed all along that...

>>EDL... are ATTACKED by others... carried out peaceful civil disobedience... are not out to cause violent confrontation.<<

It's good that you now see them differently.

>>As to them being 'Soccer Hooligans' about which I am supposed to know so little.. well.. duh<<

Indeed, that's exactly what they are. And proud of it, too.

But my principal beef is that on another thread, you said that EDL is...

>>...essential for the salvation of worn out culturally bludgeoned insensible white english voters<<

You would also presumably assert that Oswald Mosley's 1936 Limehouse rallies were conducted in order to alert "worn out culturally bludgeoned insensible white english voters" to the infiltration of Jews into the British establishment, where they were causing unemployment and hardship to the downtrodden working class.

Ah, yes. I see you have already tucked that one away.

>>The simple fact that the world is moving to a more conservative/right posture politically should tell you something about where the EDL fit in.<<

Some would say "neo-Fascist", of course. But only the Left-leaning socialist rags like the Daily Mail. (I still can't get over that one. Anyone who thinks the Daily Mail is left-wing must think Mussolini was a Bolshevik)..

Excepting the fact that EDL lacks a highly intelligent and charismatic leader like Oswald Mosley, there is little to choose between the brownshirt thugs in 1936 East End and the peripatetic soccer hooligans of 2010. Their disaffection with "the other" is the sole motivation behind their activities, and their predilection for violence their only political bond.

Any relationship with mainstream politics is tangentially accidental, so comparisons with Tea Parties and US mid-terms are irrelevant.

Oh, I forgot this:

>>You must think I just scan headlines and never read further afield or deeper...<<

Yep. On the evidence, that is exactly how you come across.

Remember Barking?

Dear Pericles...you are unfortunately mixing your 'them's and are all over the place with your references.

Let me illustrate.

As an ORGANIZATION....they are committed to peaceful protest.
As an organization which attracts all types.. they are bound to have some 'dodgy' characters either infiltrate or, simply be the bad egg types.

"Glad you now see 'THEM' differently".... u are a mixed up fella arn't u.

No..I see the ORGANIZATION in the same way I have always done. I see the 'dodgy' mob as just that.

The important point of course is to distinguish between those who are deliberate infiltrators who try to give them a bad name. Standard battle tactic of activists and nations in war.

But then you "grow" (like that 'blob' in the movie) to this:

But my principal beef is that on another thread, you said that EDL is...
>>...essential for the salvation yadayada<<

O....k...if 'that' is your beef.. let's work through it.

1/ I stand 100% by that statement.
2/ Saying that does not assert any specific character about the EDL qualitatively.
3/ However, I do believe they are a barometer of social problems which the government has far too long ignored or even trampled on.

Here is a classic example of 'Labor-think' (=progressive think) from my favorite whipping mob the Gore Family.

http://www.gore.com/en_xx/aboutus/diversity/index.html

The following “business networks” are those we’ve piloted so far:
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AABN: African American Business Network
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ABN: Asian Business Network
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LHBN: Latino/Hispano Business Network
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GFLAG: Gore Friends of Lesbians and Gays
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GROW: Gore Reaching Out to Women
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WMSD: White Men Supporting Diversity

Do you see it P ? :) mind numbing stuff there you know.

All the groups eXCEPT the white one are asserting their own cultural/racial identity.
The WHITES.. are said to be 'supporting diversity' ... ohhhh MYYYYYY
So, all the Asians and blacks and hispanics can have their own racial(or sexual) identity..but NOT the whites....they must simply 'support' the diversity.

Remember Ignatiev ? "Abolish the white race, by all means neccessary"

Remember also he is talking about a 'social construct'

Scanned through the discussion, watch the original video. What I see is unhappy citizens of a country protesting because they are not treated as equals. The police whom are trying to do their job are more afraid then the protesters are. Their choice of job to have.

Racism exist in every country. In Australia, i noticed that it is more acceptable, but it's still around. It is so easy to judge others, for all most of us know is that religion has divided mankind. Someone blame Islams. I don't think that is fair. How would you like it if you were born as a muslim? You would have been brought up to practice Islam and follow their believes. Thus subjected to instant judgement in most countries.

Trying to move to the USA is a headache for any Muslim.. not matter what the reason is. They are already judged. Not everyone is the same. But the general public have classified all people whom practice Islam as the same kinda person? Not exactly fair is it?

How about Christians? Certain people judge them as well. As well as all other religion. When I was a lot younger, I used to say religion was just there to split humanity apart. How old is the human species? and how long has religion been around? Most of us get born into a religion. The lucky ones are given the choice to choose as they get older.

The video clip, shows the Islams expressing their anger and frustrations towards the government how the are treated as second/third class citizens. It shows how the law force, if this continues, will not be able to control the frustrations of man kind.

This is only one example.. showing Islams.. There are plenty others, for every religion.

Can you trust what you see on videos nowadays? Does it really matter what happened? It could have been edited as suggested, so that it looks a certain way. What i saw: Even with his colleague down, the policeman with the camera still kept recording and did not bother to help him.

<<The video clip, shows the Islams expressing their anger and frustrations towards the government how the are treated as second/third class citizens.>>
You are projecting again, therefore making ALGOREisRICH's point.

Islam teaches Muslims that they are superior to non-Muslims.
Non-Muslims are najis, along with:
Urine
Faeces
Semen
Dead body
Blood
Dog
Pig
(Kafirs are slotted here in the hierarchy)
Alcoholic liquors
The sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat
http://www.sistani.org/local.php?modules=nav&nid=2&bid=59&pid=2857
No, the "Islams" are demanding the implementation of Shariah law in the (formerly) United Kingdom.
This is an absolute imperative demanded by their belief system which considers the UK and all other western countries as dar al' Harb, or the house of war, which can only know peace through submission to Allah's will.
They are only too willing to accelerate this process,
which is already being facilitated by multicultural ignorance.

Islam has a word for second/third class citizens: Dhimmis.
This describes non-Muslims in majority Islamic countries who don't enjoy equal protection under the law.
Why should they?
After all, they reject Allah and his messenger.

The word Dhimmi also describes Western Islamic apologists who are too ignorant to educate themselves on the true nature of Islam.
They have effectively already submitted.