Dear Oto

the point of the EDL visit to the Netherlands was simple.

'Express solidarithy with the Dutch and European Defense leagues over the issue of Islamization of their countries'.

The reason for the Netherlands in particular is that due to it's hyper (mad) progressive/liberal/tolerance, it is the most likely to surcumb to the invasion of Islamists.

The visit is historic as it provides a stepping stone to stronger links with the pan European "Defense Leagues".

It was also (just to bring you up to speed :) regarding the current 'TRIAL OF GEERT WILDERS' for "Incitement/hate speech" it was an expression of solidarity and support.

Have a 'careful' read of the EDL report on that visit.

http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=74:where-so-few-stood-up-to-so-many&catid=42:edl-editorial

You'd need to read it in detail to capture the mood and rationale, plus be fully informed about what happened.

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2010/10/metropolitan-police-guardian-angels.html for more info on the MET police who protected the EDL while Dutch police fed them to the lions(Antifa/leftists)

HERE is another little example of how 'Perception' is at work in matters of state law. (USA)

http://www.koamtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13433018

EVENT: Oklahoma has approved a measure preventing Judges referring to either "International law" or.."Islamic law" when deciding cases.

REACTION:

(MUSLIM) "It's an attack on Islam"

(LEFTIST/PROGRESSIVE)
While not reported, one can imagine :) "Human rights under threat in fascist Oklahoma

ME.. I 'perceive' this voter supported legislation as WHOOOOHOOOO, YIPEEEE..ABOUT BLADI TIME... lets FOLLOW suit.

England and the Netherlands (and France, Belgium, Germany, Denmark, Austria, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, USA, Australia, Canada, etc, etc) are facing a common enemy and it is natural that the English would show solidarity with the Dutch in this situation.
The Western world is facing external and internal threats to its freedom.
On one side is Islamic stealth jihad which includes demographics and lawfare.
On the other side are the "progressive" aiders and abettors who would squander our liberty for their multicultural illusion.
They would support Islamic intolerance in the name of tolerance and would not think twice about imprisoning those who disagree with them.
Yes, it is curious that the EDL is at the forefront of the battle for liberty but who else is taking a stand against Islamic supremacy and "progressive" dhimmitude?

We're 'way past the credibility limit on this, and heading rapidly into suspension of disbelief territory.

>>the point of the EDL visit to the Netherlands was simple. Express solidarithy with the Dutch..."

I'll be more inclined to believe that when I see Dutch protesters marching the streets of England in support of the EDL.

The point of the trip was simply an extension of soccer hooliganism, a bunch of likely lads out for a punch-up across the channel. Has it not occurred to you yet that, to the participants, this is absolutely indistinguishable from ManU fans trashing the Amsterdam ArenA at a match with Ajax.

The proof of this is that Geert Wilders himself wants nothing to do with them

http://defendgeertwilders.wordpress.com/2010/11/01/britons-arrested-at-amsterdam-edl-protest/

"Mr Wilders – who was barred from visiting Britain before being allowed to enter last year – has reportedly said he has no ties to the EDL and did not support the demonstration."

The soccer-hooligan nature of the visit was patently obvious to Amsterdam's team.

"Dutch authorities attempted to isolate the protest from anti-fascist groups and supporters of football team Ajax, both of whom urged their members to disrupt the afternoon demonstration."

Incidentally, where did this come from, Boaz?

>>BRITISH police intervene and end up in virtual fist fights with the leftist thugs, arresting some<<

Ah yes, from the EDL web site.

"Well something changed in Amsterdam because this video shows British Police drive up in a “snatch wagon” to arrest some of the violent activists."

Look again, Boaz. Both of the vehicles involved carry Dutch number plates. The black one even has "Politie" on the door. I suspect that the EDL commentator heard them speaking English (which the Dutch tend to do remarkably well) and simply assumed they were English police.

Because, let's face it, even getting budget approval for a bunch of rozzers to track a handful of hooligans would never have happened. They just aren't that important.

They'd like to think they are,.

But they are just another bunch of racist thugs, in a long line of similar groups of disaffected youths, stretching over many decades.

Let me add a little colour to my observation that the EDL is " just another bunch of racist thugs, in a long line of similar groups of disaffected youths, stretching over many decades."

The 1982 movie "The Wall" is the live-action movie of the 1979 Pink Floyd album of the same name.

The story line revolves around the rock singer Pink, and his feelings of alienation. Late in the movie, he fails to turn up at a gig, and the stand-in act is a pastiche of a neo-Fascist rally. Here are the lyrics from that "show".

"So ya thought ya might like to go to the show.
To feel the warm thrill of confusion, that space cadet glow.
I got me some bad news for you, Sunshine.
Pink isn't well, he stayed back at the hotel,
And he sent us along as a surrogate band.
We're gonna find out where you fans really stand.
Are there any queers in the theatre tonight?
Get 'em up against the wall.
And that one in the spotlight, he don't look right to me.
Get him up against the wall.
And that one looks Jewish, and that one's a coon.
Who let all this riffraff into the room?
There's one smoking a joint, and another with spots!
If I had my way I'd have all of ya shot."

(Roger Waters)

The next track, "Run like hell", is equally documentary in nature, describing how the hyped-up audience then goes on a street rampage, chasing down the various targets described in the "leader's" speech.

"You better fun like hell
You better run all day
And run all night
And keep your dirty feelings
Deep inside
And if you take your girlfriend
Out tonight,
You better park the car
Well out of sight
Cos if they catch you in the back seat
Trying to pick her locks
They’re gonna send you back to mother
In a cardboard box
You better run"

(Roger Waters, Dave Gilmour)

Just to point out that the EDL are not a recent invention, they've been around, in various guises, for decades.

Dear Pericles

MET POLICE
I honestly have no clue about the identity of the 'met police' reported in the EDL website.. I presume the Dutch number plates were because they rented a vehicle ? No idea. I find no plausible reason for the EDL article to misrepresent that part of the incident, but hey.. I'm just going on the balance of probabilities here.

PUNCH UP. Nope.. let's put our politics aside for a moment and actually look at the facts.. amazing how they can shed light on what happened eh ? :)

I gave it to you in step by step form above...but let's try again...a simpler version.

a) Muslim/Leftist crowd approaches EDL near demo site.
b) EDL lads back off.. retreat...walk away
c) Muslim/Leftist mob (as promised) begin to attack.
d) EDL proceed to the event and make speeches.

Now..if you can find 'just want a punch up' in that.. well.. I do indeed see a koala flying outside my window. Put yourself in the place of a magistrate (a rational one) Pericles.. who looks at all the circumstances and facts. (which you are not doing)

All you are doing is trying to portray them in terms of your preset script and using whatever you can to 'promo' that script.

Whether Wilders needs to distance himself from them for reasons associated with his current legal challenges is up to him. I don't expect 100% homogeneity in the Anti Islamofascist movement.

WOLFISH GRADUALISM in a PROGRESSIVE SHEEP's SKIN.
Was the title of a thread I tried to start.. rejected. It related to the issue of 'politics and perception' so I'll include reference here.

When does "courtesy and accomodation" become surrender and humiliation?
Here is something to ponder.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1050165/Muslim-council-chiefs-ban-ALL-members-tea-sandwiches-meetings-Ramadan.html

Just one more reason why the EDL exists.
cheers.