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Politics and Perception- do we see what we want to see ?

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Having studied the video further, I think Al could be right about the dog having bit the copper. There is actually two dogs in the clip.

The cop immediately to the left of the one that falls over jumps out of the way as if he thinks a growling dog is about to bite him. At the same instant, the cop that falls does the same and looks around at a second dog behind him. It's at that point you can't really see what the dog has done, but you see the cop begin to fall and the dog behind is either pushed back or jumps back away from the falling cop. As the cop hits the ground, the first dog appears very agitated but does not mean he bit anyone.

One thing that is clear, it was nothing to do with flying missiles or anything like that, it was clearly something to do with dogs going nuts and causing an accident. Whether anyone was bitten is impossible to tell from the video.
Posted by RawMustard, Friday, 29 October 2010 5:07:31 PM
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@ Pericles
""" I looked carefully at the video, in case there was a dog that crept up and bit her, but I couldnt see one. """

Ah Pericles, you didn't look hard enough, it's right there in front of your very eyes, you just need the right video :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiLeud-sxrM

Interesting how easy it is to manipulate people huh?
Perhaps she should apologise for shoving a sign in the senators face?
Or she could sue him for damaging her sign with his face, LOL :)
Posted by RawMustard, Friday, 29 October 2010 6:11:34 PM
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Indeed Raw

A frame by frame examination should reveal any 'flying saucers' :)

Personally...I 'want' to see the dog being the culprit because of my politics. If the facts don't substantiate that... sentimental longing won't change it.

It just so happens that the facts appear to strongly support the 'dog bite/pull' or whatever scenario.

HERE is another one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OJYfuzeH8k&feature=player_embedded

But in THIS (youtube) one you can see the whole encounter. The 'Searchlight/HopeNotHate' version (originally published on their web site) BEGAN from the moment Baily lashed out at the bloke who spat in his face. IMAGINE how much different that would 'come across' to the Left/UAF audience or some someone looking at their web site.

Such vile deceit and unconscionable visual fraud by Leftists/socialists is par for the course though... "the end justifies the means"

If someone did that to me (spat)... I'd try to make a citizens arrest for assault using 'reasonable restraint'.. though in Baily's defense, I can fully understand his reaction to being spat on.

This is 'lawful restraint' :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3XCuc6_Umo&feature=fvw
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Friday, 29 October 2010 6:15:05 PM
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""" A frame by frame examination should reveal any 'flying saucers' :) """

I did look, but I couldn't see any - though there were a few aliens around :)

""" This is 'lawful restraint' :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3XCuc6_Umo&feature=fvw """

I'll remember not to spit on you if we ever meet LOL :)
Posted by RawMustard, Friday, 29 October 2010 6:38:52 PM
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An interesting exercise and, sadly, I cluttered my perception by reading a very little bit of background information. Not enough to be an expert, and too few sources to be assured that I am free from bias.

Here is what I saw:

1) A group of protesters gets off a bus to head to the allocated stationary protesting area. At this point, they are already using language that is confrontational and ill-suited to public places; several are also swaggering and 'posturing'.

2) The large police presence (based on several other YouTube clips, justified by the EDL's track record) stands by passively while the protesters chant "scum, scum" in their direction. The lead-up to this section has been edited out.

3) A single protester breaks the line, apparently leaving the designated area and breaking the law. He is dealt with swiftly and taken away from the protest.

EDITING GAP

4) More line breaks, including one dealt with perhaps too heavy-handedly (1:21).

5) Objects thrown, more police reaction. No further evidence of heavy-handedness.

6) Close-quarter confrontation between police and protesters, with protesters applying increasing pressure to the police barricade. As police are pushed back, further police are brought in from behind, including a dog. In the compression in the middle, a police officer falls over (trips?) and is taken away.

As for the report that an officer had a leg injury, it is entirely possible that the incident didn't take place on camera. It's hardly a blow-by-blow record of the event.
Posted by Otokonoko, Friday, 29 October 2010 7:38:11 PM
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Hi Al,

Thanks for the invite- sounds like a great film festival. - just sorry I don't have time to view it right now.
However, from what I can glean, some policemen were having a Tea Party (with their dog?) when they saw a flying saucer. In the ensuing panic, one of them tripped over his dog which then either bit him or it didn't...sounds great. Is there a sequel?
Posted by Poirot, Friday, 29 October 2010 7:38:44 PM
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