Dear Al.

I'll get back to you a bit later when I have more time on the U.S.'s challenges...although I did notice that Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert held a rally in response to Glenn Beck's....looked interesting, and apparently they drew a bigger crowd.

Getting back to the EDL and their seeming to adopt the aid of thugs to further their agenda. It's interesting to look at what happens to someone's mind when they become part of a group such as that. An individual's personal identity is subsumed by that of the group or "cause" with whom they identify. They then act almost exclusively as an agent of that greater system and are energised by their fellow members - they lose their sense of autonomy and, therefore, any personal control is jettisoned in favour of a mob mentality.

I can tell that you are puzzled, Boaz.

>>Soccer hooligans have been around as long as Soccer. They havn't been out "Picking on minorities" they've been fighting other clubs and/or the police. (Pericles might correct me there but that's how the news reports)<<

Yep, I will correct you.

“In the 1980s and 1990s these hooligan groups perceived the threat to English masculinity was coming from the IRA’s mainland bombing campaign,” said Nick Lowles from Searchlight. “They associated themselves with the loyalist movement and the chant ‘no surrender to the IRA’ was popular at football grounds around the country. Now many see what they term ‘Islamist extremism’ as the biggest threat.”

http://pibillwarner.wordpress.com/2010/04/06/tommy-robinson-of-the-english-defence-league-edl-is-recruiting-nazis-drunken-football-thugs-and-skinheads/

"In Britain, racist chanting at matches still occurs, but at nowhere near the levels it reached in the 1970s and 80s, when black players were often greeted with monkey-noises and bananas."

http://www.sirc.org/publik/fvexec.html

>>Still scratching my head over Pericles weird comment "It's about racial hatred".....wanders off with a sullen look<<

You are looking at the issue from the wrong angle, Boaz.

Yes, violence at soccer games in the UK is endemic. It is part of the culture. It always has been, mainly due to the demographic of your average match-goer. What better place, then, to recruit relatively mindless violence, wrap it is a flag, supply it with the necessary levels of paranoia, then just let it rip.

Lowles of Searchlight, again:

"Lowles said that while many of the hooligans involved with the EDL were nationalists and racists, only a handful would associate themselves with fascist, far-right policies. 'While it is not a fascist organisation, there are a handful of organised fascists in key positions'"

But what wonderful material for those leaders to work with. They don't need to worry whether the finer points of political intrigue go over the heads of the mob, they just point them in the Right direction, and let them off the leash.

What is my type? I don't have a type. I respect all religions. I don't see how it is wrong to express how another being shouldn't judge others based on his limited knowledge. That is all. I commented about this, because, I used to work in one of the football stadiums there in UK.. the first football club ever form in UK.. I worked there. I have seen all the behavior. So I know, so I commented. What makes any human more superior then the other then he/she think they can condemn others? Human=human. Period

ALGOREisRICH: since you decided to judge me... Hmmm... let's see.. my kind.. of dog? I prefer dogs actually. Because they don't judge. They accept, love, and they are loyal. My kind.. is HUMAN.. same as you, So if you want to indicate that I am any kind of other species, apart from human, please have the decency, to include yourself and the rest of the human race :). Righto.

Yes, I am new in this forum. I like to learn, and I learn from here.. how humans behave. I still have the right to express how I think, just as you do. So some of you have spend a bit of time analyzing this video, trying to pin point your arguments. You think by doing that, it is going to change anything?? wow.. amazing.. it has changed so much... I rest my case.

<<What makes any human more superior then the other then he/she think they can condemn others? Human=human. Period>>
Great to hear you think so.
Clearly you will then condemn an ideology which teaches that those who don't adhere to it are inferior to those who do.
Clearly then you would reject an ideology which ranks people who do not subscribe to that ideology in the same class as faeces and urine.
Clearly you would reject an ideology which advocates that its followers do not take as friends those who follow another belief system:
Take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends (Sura 5:51, 60:13).
Clearly you would condemn an ideology which commands its followers to kill those who don't believe in the absolute truth of that ideology:
Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (Sura 2:191)
Clearly then you would reject and condemn Islam and anybody who subscribes to its pernicious supremacist doctrine.

sigh... yes.. you are all right.. because you have been brain washed into believing all this from a young age and you have forgotten how to actually to trust you instincts, and think for yourself without allowing outside influence corrupt you. Do you think we were created so we could cause more hard then damage? Do you think we evolve to be here, so as the superior species, we can fight amongst ourself.. well, Whom of you that enjoys arguing and debating your so called believes. Keep spending it here.. but not taking any action.

I don't have to worry about that.. because I am taking action. Thus, I have no need to proof myself here. :) have fun debating fellas. peace out..