*WE would simply stop buying their oil unless they kept it cheap, and increasing our conversion to alternate fuels while relying more on our OWN oil reserves.*

Hehe Hazza, you really are living in dreamland. Which oil reserves?
If the Straits of Hormuz were blocked tomorrow, the global economy
as we know it, would come to a grinding halt. Farmers could not
sow crops, truckies could not cart freight, cars would be off the
road. Global oil supply is very finely balanced.

Australia has gas, we import the majority of our oil. How long do
you think it would take to convert our fleets to gas? 10-15 years
maybe? But Europe, the USA, all depend on ME oil. Why do you think
that Obama is pushing so hard on alternative energy. But an actual
solution is decades away.

For that very reason, the US Navy is in the Gulf, to keep the
Straits open and oil flowing. If the ME did not have a large
chunk of global reserves, the place would hardly matter.

Some Arabs will never be content, until the Jews leave Israel.
So fundamentalists will always have a reason to motivate people.
The rewards for Muslim martyrs are very large. The Islamic
heaven makes our Christian description of heaven, look like
a hole.

Belly, what I stated in my first post, was that I am with Obama
on this. He is not a warmonger as Bush was. It took the Americans
a long time to get things right in Iraq. Finally they did. So
I think its worth changing tactics and giving the new strategy a
chance, for another 18 months or so. If it does not work, fair
enough. The revolution needs to come from everyday Afghan people
themselves, as it did in Iraq. But at the moment they are saying
that they don't want the Taliban, but when the allied forces leave,
all those who supported them, will be toast. That is the problem.

Yabby, this is it, you really demonstrate how little you actually understand the situation by asking "What other oil reserves?"

Had you have spent one second typing world oil reserves into google, or even paid better attention to the news, you might have been more aware of the fact that every continent AND subcontinent has a substantial amount of oil each. You can type it in right now and go through numerous pie charts representing oil supplies by region, maps with oil reserves across the world etc).

So think of this, because I'm losing interest in this thread;
Why, despite:
-Not knowing that Israel has an aggressive foreign policy (to survive), and the USA also has a substantially non-commendable foreign policy towards the middle east
-Not knowing that there are oil reserves outside the Middle East (that are estimated to still hold over 40% of world oil)
-Not knowing that you can power a car without oil
Among many other things, WHY do you assume you're still right that a medieval theology alone somehow manages to recruit and encourage highly capable operatives to orchestrate a sophisticated terrorist attack, solely because they'll go into heaven, which their religion tells them they will go by default of being Muslim).

The fact that you cannot answer me so far, with any kind of logical counter-example leaves me to not hold my hopes up.

Sheesh Hazza, so according to you we don't need ME oil, because
of course everyone has plenty of their own. Besides, we can just
run our cars on something else. You have seemingly solved some
of the world's major global issues overnight!

I've told you before, to understand why Islamic martyrs do it,
you need to inform yourself a bit more about their religion.
I gave you a great source, you prefer to stay ignorant. Fair enough,
its your choice. You refuse to examine the hatred which is
contained in the Koran, the them and us, the good and evil, the
good muslims and evil infidels, the 72 virgins, the theology
of hatred which drives the Salafists, the list goes on.

You refuse to try and understand their perspective, fanatical
religion is hardly a rational one. So you simply focus on your
rational one and it will never make sense to you. These people
were brainwashed with this stuff, from babies onwards, all their
lives. But lets just ignore all that it seems, it must be
American foreign policy that is to blame for all of this.

How sweet. How old are you Hazza, if I may ask

KH long before America became a super power.
Long before it had any roll in the middle east.
England was there.
Both playing a good and bad roll.
You just have think on this issue.
We are called Infidels,, because of an invasion a thousand years ago!
Yabby Obama is as you say, but unlikely to be given a chance.
NOTE
this mornings press has a story Australian troops are burning the Koran.
Unlikely and surely untrue, but lies are both a weapon and a way of life in these country's.
Only by defending them selves can these people find hope and only by open education to other ideas can they be free of a demanding intrusive religion.

Belly, you and Yabby are insisting that
1- Muslims are lining up to get revenge on a country that is scarcely related to infidels who attacked them over a THOUSAND YEARS AGO, as opposed to something that happened, you know, 5, 10 years.
2- That reassurance of the 72 virgins (which they would still get regardless of if they participated) can motivate not only morons, but smart people to sacrifice absolutely everything to achieve.

How much do I have to reiterate the point that to undergo Bin Laden's orders is something that your everyday patsy simply cannot do. You are convinced that somehow, an extremist set up a recruitment pad that everyday citizens (loony or otherwise), felt compelled to join, simply because they want to convert infidels by making themselves enemies of them, and they start, and focus entirely on, a country that never actually participated in the Crusades, simply because.

Time to take a step back.

My point is the evidence is there that the looniness of their religion is NOT enough to motivate international terrorist attacks (only domestic ones, which would only be worsened by our presence in Afghanistan).

And Yabby, it IS clear you live in gigantic isolation to be unaware of alternate fuels, but having google you really have no excuse to be ignorant. Don't even bother replying until you can actually name one already in use right now.

Stg attacks rache for speaking the truth about terrorists being trained in the USA."rache is just another Arjay." We have have the solid scientific evidence on our side which people like Stg have no a hope in hell of debunking.http://patriotsquestion911.com/ http://ae911truth.org/

So Stg prowls this site trying to ridicule everything I write.Why bother if it is all BS.