*there's coconut oil vehicles*

ROFL Hazza :) We Aussies burn a million barrels a DAY. How many
coconuts do you have?

What % of the European fleet is electric cars, buses, trucks,
tractors? What about the other 99%?

So now you would interogate every muslim, to try and discover what
they really believe, to try and keep out those who might be militant.
Osama bin Laden would put you on top of his fatwa list for persecuting
muslims! What about the locally born ones with Aussie passports,
who have been won over by the ideology? That is Britain's problem,
more and more are young Muslims, who spent time in training camps
in SE Asia. Not the poor, not the downtrodden, but as with any
fanatical religion, the fanatical. The internet is their tool
of trade these days.

One thing about you Hazza, you clearly don't bother to think through
your ideas

arjay how about giving it a miss bloke?
So far of subject and seemingly only trying to provoke some who are not posting here?
Your threads mate are out there as is your right.
I join in to some but found your last effort and for that matter posts here a mystery.
KH can it be your self confidence is miss placed?
I am stunned to think you believe that stuff, do you truly?
May I ask can we win? is it worth it? should we go or stay.

Belly"How about giving it a miss bloke." Here we see the very premise for being at war in Afghanistan,Iraq,Pakistan being flawed,all based upon a lie.Now we look like attacking Iran.

How about arguing the truth Belly,since you and others are hell bent on wars of greed and deception.We have scientific evidence of 911 being a lie and you ignore it at your peril.Neither you Pericles,stevenlmeyer,stg have the courage or the intellect to take me on.

*Neither you Pericles,stevenlmeyer,stg have the courage or the intellect to take me on.*

Now now Arjay, you are getting carried away. Pericles, a long time
ago, intellectually chewed you up and spat you out, in his ever so
friendly way. Perhaps you are so carried away, that you hardly
noticed. The rest of us did.

Yabby, seeing all fuel technologies are new, I don't exactly see how the percentage of use is remotely relevant.
And I'm not sure somebody told you, but quizzing unauthorized arrivals, and background checking authorized rivals, is completely standard practice in every country on the planet.

"What about the locally born ones with Aussie passports,
who have been won over by the ideology?"
Gee Yabby, I suppose we aught to invade some Muslim countries, that'd do the trick!

Belly- I do indeed. Although fundamentalist Islam is a cancer, and its adherents do actively try to attempt ways to twist whatever society they live in to become a Shariah-paradise. However, I don't believe for a second that international terrorism needs only this alone to motivate its followers to migrate and commit terrorist attacks in foreign countries. The connection between the targets and their associations in Middle-East politics is simply too strong. I don't even believe that conquest is the first thing on their mind when they migrate to western countries (greed for the easy life is)- the ambitions come later when they realize infidels are sinful and get offended).

To answer your question, can we win?
Depends- Afghanistan, no; the Taliban and other fundamentalists aare committing atrocities despite our presence, and have a huge advantage of getting around, getting reinforcements, and holding out in a prolonged conflict.
is it worth it? I believe staying is actually making the situation worse, and not better. The Taliban are only one fundamentalist group out of hundreds, maybe thousands who are watching this conflict on TV.
By staying in this region, we are harming stability elsewhere in the world, as this definitely provides considerably ammunition to fundamentalist recruitment, and may cause an exodus of extremists from the area.
Then there's the consideration of whether to ban book burning for fear of putting our soldiers in danger and aggravating the people of the countries we are occupying shows that we are now deciding whether to sacrifice part of our Free speech, or sacrifice our servicemen who likely joined to protect such rights.

*Yabby, seeing all fuel technologies are new, I don't exactly see how the percentage of use is remotely relevant.*

Of course they are relevant Hazza. The global economy ticks over
day by day. The US ensures that the Straits of Hormuz are open,
day by day. Some idea, which might take 20 years to implement,
might play a role in 20 years, not tomorrow, or next month, or
next year.

*but quizzing unauthorized arrivals, and background checking authorized rivals, is completely standard practice in every country on the planet.*

Exactly, quizzing, you want to interogate, there is a difference.
The 911 hijackers entered the US as tourists, as students wanting
to learn to fly, a common practise. People can enter Australia as
business people, as tourists, as students. If you start to want
to quizz people too closely about their religious beliefs, they will
either lie or you will be accused of persecuting muslims. Ban the
hijab and you are persecuting muslims, in bin Laden's eyes.

*Gee Yabby, I suppose we aught to invade some Muslim countries, that'd do the trick!*

Hazza, the Salafists were blowing up embassies long before the
Iraq or Afghan war. It is their ideology that you still refuse
to deal with. I told you, just read Qutb, one of the great Islamist
influences of the 20th century. He hated America for what it was,
a place of freedom. Time spent there shocked him to his core.

What Afghanistan did was show the Islamists that Allah was on their
side. All they needed was patience and they defeated one of the
great armies of the world.

Despite the high likelyhood of exactly the same happening again with
the US and allies, we owe it to the great majority of people in
Afghanistan, who don't want the Taliban back, to give them a chance
to build a local, village by village resistance and have Afghan troops
fighting, not Western troops.

It has worked so far in Iraq, so IMHO it should be given a go in
Afghanistan, despite the odds.