I supported this invasion, and the one in Iraq, I was wrong in that country.
And this one? not sure.
We did good getting our hands on the throat of the Taliban but maybe recruit for them now.
I think those wanting to blame only America may overlook the corruption and deceit within these country's.
Some middle eastern country use America England and us, while supporting our enemy's too.
I don't think we can win.
Not this way.
Maybe we should come home, block trade and money flow to such country's, do what America did against the Russians.
Give arms and help at minimal loss of western lives.
For every dollar Pakistan gets I feel we get zero value.
What happens is our business but can we Win this way.

I am unsure what our new poster is up to.
The horrible and true storys about women in this country seem aimed at keeping us there.
See I with a Passion think the way women are treated in that region/religion is inhuman just a way to keep them in slavery.
And I think it is our concern.
But I also know we in helping create enemy's, maybe more than Friends.
We, I am sure, would die almost to a man rather than see our country and its women treated that way.
I am unconvinced enough people would do so in Afghanistan,Iraq, Iran, North Korea, maybe soon Turkey and Egypt.
I am not saying do not fight, but fight smarter not in the terms that give an advantage to such as these primitive grubs.

Belly,

If I am the "new poster' to whom you refer let me assure you my aim is NOT to keep us in Afghanistan.

But at the same time I don’t want to give any comfort to those who say everything that is wrong with Afghanistan is the fault of "the West" and all will be fine and wonderful when we leave. Nor do I want those who say we should leave to be able to salve their consciences by pretending to themselves it won't be so bad.

It will be bad.

It will be CATASTROPHIC for Afghan women.

We should not try to deceive ourselves about it.

Knowing this I STILL say "get out now" because it is none of our business, because it is not worth the life of one more digger, because the Afghans need to sort this out themselves as best they can.

I do agree with the idea that it is none of our business and we should not be there, never should have from the start. The response to 911 was plain wrong and many more questions should have been asked of people in power as to what they knew and what they did about it.

The big problem with the whole cultural, sexual, class discriminating system that they have is that it exists in many counties around the world and to even think you can defeat it by force is fantasy stuff. We need to socially ignore these countries as well as politically and industrially isolating them, this of course is never going to happen while they have what we want and we are too weak to develop new methods to neutralise their power through their oil resource.
In the end who is responsible for these countries and their influence?

Hmmm …Belly is sounding us out about withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Knowing how well plugged-in to Labor, Belly is, and knowing how much Labor needs to balance the budget –I wonder if this might presage a Gillard change of heart on Afghanistan?

Naaah! Horus you’re being too suspicious.

Horus well plugged in?
Not even close I am a foot soldier nothing more.
No idea what the debate will say ,but aware both major party's say stay.
Let us forget the funny stuff what do you think? truly.
Can we win.
Will life just go back to what it was after we go.
No lefty stuff but I think we need to talk about this.
Do we continue to fund corruption?
Bury our brave men.
What out comes do you see?/want.