runner - Would you mind explaing how the theory of Evolution has led to more people following Islam and Buddhism? Do you have statistics on this? And how is Evolution fraud? And how has it been exposed as such?

Probably should keep your answers short, though, as none of what you said has anything to do with the topic.

Spendocrat

The need for man to worship is demonstrated time and time again by people. We often see sports and movie stars being worshipped by adoring fans.

The false religion of evolution (see pathetic attempts on other posts to support it) discounts the obvious that we humans are fearfully and wonderfully made (design is obvious). Whenever the Creator is taken out of the equation we see the void in peoples lives leading them to worship themselves or other man made idols. Many find out that the worshipping of humans can only lead to disappointments (ask Shayne Warnes wife, Kofi Anan etc).

In Australia our smart social engineers that blame religion for every woe have left the living God out of the equation and replaced it with the false theory of evolution. Hence we find suicide rates among young
people at record levels and multitudes with no other purpose in life but to eat drink and be merry. We find little to no morality among many because we foolishly believe we don't need to give account to anyone. We mock and criticize the only One who can forgive us of our sins and crimes. We can murder the unborn because they are not yet supposedly humans despite what true science tells us. We whites can be superior to the aboriginals because evolution teaches they have not quite evolved to our level yet.

Wow, we've found the western equivalent to whatshisface, the actual subject of this thread!

Ok, firstly - no other purpose to eat, drink and be merry...you think that *causes* suicide? Wow. That sounds pretty awsome to me. Just add 'smoke' to the list, and I'll be one merry...cherry.

As for your extremely confused view of evolution - do some research, perhaps, before dismissing it. You have a lot of certainty, but you must realise it is dangerous to be so certain about something you have very little knowledge of (the stuff about Aboriginals clearly demonstrates you have absolutely no idea about Evolution and how it works). So learn, please, then feel free to comment.

Then there's some other wacky stuff about abortion and so on...eh, it's all too wacky for me really. I guess the lesson is (and I can spin this back on topic too) that the real world continues on, despite severely deluded people.

Cevilia - your last post was an absolute breath of fresh air. Sadly however, such an ideal is unlikely ever to make an impact on this world which is so obsessed with the egotistical notion that there is so much more to existence than this apparently meagre life "as we know it." Also unfortunately it strays considerably from the topic at hand, as no doubt mine will probably end up doing also - sorry!

Runner - I personally am agnostic (although I'm sure having said that, you'll assume your own definition of what I mean and all the other things I could possibly "believe" in). To not believe in a god (correction = in a religion), and to instead place faith in oneself and the world as I "know" it, hardly goes hand in hand with being a selfish, narrow-minded human being. I am far from materialistic (for a Westerner) and my advocacy would put most idealistic "alleged believers" to shame. If you really want to discuss the "usefulness" of theocracy, you are more than welcome to open your own thread.

In the end, religion is engrained in society across the globe and here to stay. As people, we should be entitled to speak our minds. As people though who are ambassadors for a number of others, this freedom ought to be compromised to reflect such. The sheikh and his ilk should be dealt with by their community. For their community to tolerate such however, would display a willingness on their part to be perceived in the same light as the leader whom they've elected. it's time for the muslim community to make their own stand rather than just making excuses.

I continue to be astounded by the convoluted forms of logic and expression that are the products of religious minds. From the inspired lunacy of Hilaly to the boofheaded creationism of runner, from the brownshirted rabble-rousing of Boaz to the delusions of world domination of Hizb Ut Tahrir, they share the capacity to stretch human credulity to ever more fantastic politico-religious bounds!

I really hope that these militant religions bring a lot of meaning and comfort to their adherents, because from where I sit they seem to cause an awful lot of grief, misery and division where ever they raise their ugly heads.

I'm with spendo (again) - what's wrong with food, drink and merriment? Should be more of it all round, I say.

Did somebody mention smoko? Pass it around please :)

I am not a follower or beleiver in any God, once a christian I now know I was wrong.
But how is that impacting on my right to ask how can this leader of a very large section of his comunity talk like this?
Why has he not been charged ? why would I be charged in seconds if I went to his place of whorship and said I have doupts we can live together?
One day goverments may act for the majority but I doupt it multi culturism is in pain after this and yesterdays discrasefull tennis riot.
Do we need it?