spendocrat
THX for the sarcasm in return for my sarcasm.

Leigh, good point, but I also care about murders committed by non-Muslims.
I can see the negatives and positives of my original country and of Australia. Violence as well as racism happens in ALL countries, unfortunately.
Of course I don’t deny that there have been problems with immigration in Holland and other parts of Europe- but even so, and I reiterate: there are no grounds to ban Hizb ut-Tahrir from organising a seminar in a democratic country.

I’d like to see zero tolerance for racist hate-spreading and violence-inciting sheikhs and others, but always in individual cases like we have seen from Sheikh Feiz Mohammad; he should be charged.
I’d like to see zero tolerance for celebrities who spread hate and racism as well- whether they are drunk or sober.
That’s why I mentioned Mel Gibson and Michael Richards’ (Kramer) racial tirades –both appalling.

Let people focus on individuals like the sheikhs and celebrities who have the power to set an example for our children.
Let us show zero tolerance for any offenders; not just offenders who do not fit into our personal picture.

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BD,
“Has anyone experienced Multiculturalism which in reality has become 'cultural imperialism' and outright discrimination against Aussies represented by the Union Jack ?”
Nope. Have experienced my fair share of sexual harassment and sexism though.

Why would I, as an atheist, be interested in discussing verses or quotes from the Bible- I could discuss this every time a JW bangs on my door but I choose not to go into it.

Seriously- you are cherry-picking from the Koran as I am from the Bible. What is the difference? Mohammed might have spoken in parables as well- who knows? (Not that I want to defend Mohammed, but just making a point).
All I wanted to show you is that it is all too easy to pick texts from some holy book and use them to spread hate against a group of people.
As I said, you can probably find a Muslim who would want to discuss these quotes from the Koran with you and tell you all about parables and context.

It is much harder to spread love and compassion than it is to spread hate and unkindness.
WWJD?

“It is the enemy who can truly teach us to practice the virtues of compassion and tolerance.”
Dalai Lama

I hear some Tibetan shamans practice black magic/occultism which includes violence against their targets, something like voodoo. Is the Dalai Lama the good face of Tibetan black magic, the PR branch?

Eurasian shamans advised their nomad tribes as to whether or not their sky god(s) were "with them" in battle, as they rode out to kill.

They climbed the sky tree, using psychedelic drugs, to "communicate" with the Gods. The symbol of climbing was sometimes the horse, that vehicle that was the equivalent of the modern day stealth bomber, that made possible the conquering of other tribes. Hence the winged horse of mythological status....

Runner, Philo, HW. I'd love to get your emails. However I can understand if you wouldn't want to publish it. I wouldn't.

Celivia

I'm not cherry picking verses from the Quran mate.. I'm using them AS USED by Muslims.. that's the important distinction.

Please have a peek at this, and then you will see how Muslims (radical yes.. Wahabists.. but nevertheless coming up with valid intepretations)

The Doctrine.

http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/alshifa/pt4ch1sec2.htm

The Person who follows it.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/01/17/warwithin.overview/index.html

OTHER examples
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014808.php

All I'm saying is that the Quran + Hadith support a very different picture of Islam as a socio/political force than we are usually presented with by so called Moderate Muslims.

So, I'm not cherry picking. You are :) yes.. indeed you are. Because you will not find any example to my knowledge of a similar level of radical interpretation of the Bible to support violence or terror.

The notable exception is Fred Phelps and extended family, who, on the issue of Homosexual behavior are living in the Old Testament Theocratic zone. Innapplicable to post New Testament Christian life.
(Gods attitude remains the same, but punishment is reserved for the afterlife)

You need to look at standard methods of interpreting literary documents and you will find help there :)

Puh-lease don't mention Joseph Coney or the Lords Resistance Army, he has clearly mentioned that he gets his strength from spirits...he is an animist with a thin veneer of Christian terminology.. the only Christian thing about him is the name "Lords"....

Whereas Abu Izzadeen, who wants to kill unbelievers and specially those who even criticize Mohammed, can obtain this from ABUNDANT and more importantly 'valid' selections of the Quran and Hadith.

They are in context and rightly interpreted and to me totally repugnant.