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The CALL for a CALIPHATE: Hizb Ut Tahrir say yes.

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Saturday 27th of JANUARY, the day after Australia day, will see a seminar run by Hizb Ut Tahrir in Bankstown Town Hall, exploring the idea of acheiving a world wide Caliphate, which of course includes Australia.

There is a news item on "Islamic Sydney" with no negative storyline here http://islamicsydney.com/story.php?id=2996

The question is, should we just sit idly by and do nothing while these people seek to white ant our freedom ?
ARE they.....seeking to do that ? Or is this just another simple expression of non threatening ideas in a religious freedom context ?

In one of their PDF documents from the web site http://www.risala.org I found the words "Winning hearts and minds and by Jihad".

I suggest that if it can be shown that "Jihad" is in reality Military aggression, due to its use in connection with Mohammeds raids and invasions, then there is a case for them to be classified as 'seditious'.
I seek to prove this allegation in this site. http://www.truetruth.wikispaces.com

I would be interested in other readers views on this matter and what measures if any we should take up to oppose them ? or to just let them be ? Will doing 'nothing' discourage them or would be jihadists in the Muslim community from reinventing themselves in a more 'combative' style ? Or..would opposing them actually self fulfil the worry ?
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 10 January 2007 12:52:19 PM
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You need to stop focusing on the 'us' and 'them' distinction, boaz. Relax, take a deep breath, look again....oh, they're just people, like me! Essentially all the same, well I'll be!

I bet you ten bucks there wont be any 'combative'-ing going on.

For future reference, 'jihad' most directly translates to 'freedom fight'. Interesting to note you consider 'them' directly opposed to freedom, when the reality is quite different. Have a go at viewing things from beyond your own narrow perspective.
Posted by spendocrat, Wednesday, 10 January 2007 1:29:20 PM
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Hi Big Spender.. happy new year, welcome back and all that....

Well, I just read in the Age that their permit has now been cancelled.

Spendo, regarding your point about Jihad.. I have to respectfully disagree... freedom fight ? Not how it is used in the Islamic documents mate... but apart from that particular word.... which in context really should mean 'military struggle' because it is juxtaposed with 'hearts and minds' to mean something different..

Did you read my link to truetruth ? I explain it there.

Regarding 'them' and 'us'... little hope of me fading on that score bro... The thing you need to work out though is how narrow or wide the 'them' is in my mind. I've said it a fair bit but...Its not a matter of individual niceness or lack thereof, its the total collective actions and influence of a community in a political context.

If you wonder how it could be when Muslims dominance is a reality, where they populate the police and institutions (as they did in Malaysia) where you know..u just KNOW that no matter how much you cry out about some religious based injustice, somewhere up the heirachy, close to and including the top, you will be confronted with.... a ... you know who.
See this mate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yiu26Mo_UBo

Life as a Christian can be quite a challenge under Muslim rule. I've lived it.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 10 January 2007 4:05:56 PM
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BD,

Thanks for putting that up. We the few of us who are not nave about the true aims of Islam remain unsurprised. Hopefully, those who think that Islam is just another religion will take note and start thinking and boning up on the real Islam.

The Islamists will, of course, say that it is just an academic talkfest, and we dont really understand. Yeah, just like other religions discuss ways of gaining world supremacy!

Muslims are pledged to rid the world of all creeds but Islam.

Drongos like Australians and other European-type people have facilitated their intent by inviting them to the West. What a bonus for them! Ill bet they cant yet believe their luck.

Democracy and our way of life is a wonderful thing to be protected and cherished. We i.e. Australian politicians have neither protected nor cherished it; hence, we now may have to think of making temporary adjustments to deal once and for all with the threat of Islam to the West.

Or, perhaps the solution can be found in the anti-terror laws that our left-wing friends also deem unecessary to protect us from the "nice" newcomers? I would think that discussing a world caliphate here would be classed as sedition.
Posted by Leigh, Wednesday, 10 January 2007 4:31:51 PM
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Yawn.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Wednesday, 10 January 2007 4:41:26 PM
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Spendocrat,

Actually you got the Jihad definition wrong:
There are two types of Jihad -an internal struggle to keep Islamic morality etc -which it is now popular to say is the most important & difficult.
The other Jihad is to wage war for Islam -its no fiction -its no fabrication -its core Islamic creed.

And as for broadening horizons:
I suggest you might like to spend time living in a Christian enclave in Indonesia, Pakistan or Egypt
(if you come away intact ) It might broaden your horizons too.
Posted by Horus, Wednesday, 10 January 2007 6:27:36 PM
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