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The Forum > General Discussion > The CALL for a CALIPHATE: Hizb Ut Tahrir say yes.

The CALL for a CALIPHATE: Hizb Ut Tahrir say yes.

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Boaz: "for the record. I've been hacked and an address has been published on the web sites I did."

A tad melodramatic, don't you think? I've just had a squizz at your anti-Muslim hate wikis, and there doesn't appear to be anything remotely threatening there - in fact there doesn't appear to be much discussion at all.

What address was posted? Hate to tell you, old son, but your home, church and business addresses are easily traceable by anyone with a little nous and a computer, just on the info you've provided in this forum.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Monday, 15 January 2007 8:49:28 AM
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C.J. what I find interesting, yet a bit tiresome is that my wiki's are well sourced, documented and reasoned.
They show a side of Islam rarely visible to the public, and yet you call them 'hate' sites ?

As I've said to my critics, debate the issues not the man.
If I've wrongly quoted a source, or misrepresented them, by all means take me to task.

I suppose the major difference is that I see a real threat socially, and you don't. Lets work towards reaching some common ground thru better discussion.
cheers.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 15 January 2007 11:54:27 AM
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CJ its easy to see you like to debate boots first.
You should understand your every opinion is not for sure and certain true.
While opininions are free none of us is always right.
I find your constant belittleing of others views a weakness in your debateing style.
BD while I am no longer a Christian your rights to be concerned about very real threats to our country is respected.
And unhelpfull to some, but a view shared by most Australians
Do not back down to insulting put downs
regards .
Posted by Belly, Monday, 15 January 2007 12:03:23 PM
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Yeah, there does appear to be more melodrama here than a soapie program, however a message shouldn't be ignored due to the form of delivery, but viewed with an open mind.

To be honest I am highly sceptical of any truly "active" means with which to address a very valid point which has been raised. As I mentioned before most potential actions will purely be viewed by others as "yet another misguided stereotypical attack" on their rights.

My only suggestion is to use an organised campaign to target politicians and the more diplomatic muslim leaders. Put pressure on them to deliver their stances on the issue and any steps that will be taken to deal with cases which jeopardise such. It is a most worrying precedent that both Australian authorities and muslim heirachy continue to tolerate, for example, the mufti making extremist statements which are supposed to reflect the entire muslim community. There is certainly no better time than now to pursue a sound resolution and build the foundations for a harmonious future.

I do strongly feel that for us to remain the "lucky country" certain steps do need to be taken to maintain that. Sadly, I think most need to be done at a political level, or with mass lobbying by concerned citizens in a respectful manner. So just like countries need to squeeze the Sudanese government and China where it hurts to finally end the genocide in Darfur, a means of putting pressure on our government and muslim leaders to work together to maintain our precious freedoms is also required.
Posted by meliorator, Monday, 15 January 2007 12:24:54 PM
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‘With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil – that takes religion.’ - Steven Weinberg

The greatest fraud inflicted on the human race must be the promotion of any religion- which are all based on little more than hearsay or myth.
Consequently it needs to be treated the same manner as any other fraud.
To think that religion is given special dispensation in the form of protection from critical examination or even taxes sickens me-given their ability to create great wealth.

Freedom of thought is the right of anyone, however when belief impacts adversely on society as in recent Muslim terrorism or even the highly questionable activities of sects such as the Exclusive Brethren – the full process of law is not only required but should be mandatory.

Historically, religion has inflicted terrible suffering on people and suppresses scientific knowledge which is ongoing.

Some of the above posts are examples of hatred spewed forth by religious intolerance.

BD, yes, cherry picking the worst of ANY religious text is all too easy and it was my intention to show you in a previous post.
The hypocracy this reveals is not only appalling but frightening for the divisiveness and ongoing antagonism this creates within our society.

It’s time for freedom from myths, legends, fables and superstition; time to apply reason with factual information for the solution of every problem.
No longer should religions have exemption from laws that apply to all other people and organisations.
Posted by Celivia, Monday, 15 January 2007 2:00:34 PM
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Of course the number one religion in Australia and the the rest of the Western world is the worship of self. This is clearly seen in those who claim to be athiest and yet continue to be preach that no one can believe in absoulutes except themselves. Evolution along with earth worshipping is truely the biggest fraud that has been exposed in the last 50 years. The deception of this man made religion has left a great void in peoples lives leaving them to turn to another fraud in Islam or Buddhism.
Posted by runner, Monday, 15 January 2007 2:26:09 PM
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