what's wrong with food, drink and merriment? Should be more of it all round, I say.

nothing! but its silly to think it is the answer to hatred.

Meliorator.. you said: "To be honest I am highly sceptical of any truly "active" means with which to address a very valid point which has been raised"

Valid and important point. The main 'value' of any activism is in reality to produce a sense of cohesian and identity an 'us' if you will, to stand against a 'them' who are primarily interested in forcing (in reality) us to become 'them'.

So, while a large gathering of non Muslim Aussies of both Christian and Secular background at a Seminar calling for world Muslim Caliphate may seem not to have much impact on the target.. Hizb Ut Tahrir, it will without question have impact on us. I quote from the mouth of one of the Cronulla protesters "I've never felt so much a part of something in my life"

CELIVIA its most important to sort out those text you quoted, and MOST important to know the simple meaning of 'context'.
When I claim Islam 'justifies sexual slavery' I do so in 'context' of where it is stated, i.e. a list of qualities and permissions for believers. There is no possible alternative understanding. When this is backed up by Sharia Scholars today, its game set match.

Jesus words on the other hand, have many contexts, and he spoke in parables, allegories and outright statements and commands. One has to know which is which before putting a whole lot of verses together.
Thats why I suggested you email me.

BELLY, its not the likes of CJ and his inuendo against me that worries me, but implied death threats do take their toll. I'm stronger now from not having caved in, nor will I. (some 'Muslim brothers' coming along with a loaded Glock might shut me up though, permanently) But the seed of the Church is the blood of the martyrs.
'Melodrama' is when it has no possible connection with reality.

CJ said: "I continue to be astounded by the convoluted forms of logic and expression that are the products of religious minds."

On that little doozy, I myself am still picking my jaw up off the ground at the crazy workings of CJ. mind which sees 'nazi' in a breaking down of racist barriers and embracing of all others in the name of a new and united Australia.

I could understand this if I was a card carrying member of StormFront' and 'WhitePride' and was constantly harping about the superior qualities of the 'WHITE' race.....but.. in the absence of any of these, its a mystery where he finds 'jackboots, brownshirts' and German translations of my ONE NATION,ONE RACE, ONE CULTURE mantra.

Hope ur all coping well with the heart.. 40 here now.. *sigh*

Hang in there Runner; it looks like you just got a dose of Expendocrapton;
I can not imagine it has read much of Charles Darwin’s hypothesis ether, but that is a bit away from this thread.

I can give you a link to all his publications, and then, all his predecessors, who were in the beginning staunch supporters; but realized the flaws later in findings; truly documented and Non Political.
Spendocrat would be prattling off some manifesto automaton run sheet. And did not offer constructive criticism.
There is some merit in mentioning the links to Suicide.

You do not need to be offering criticism of Islam to get death threats from Mohammedans ; that comes with the territory;

Ease up a bit with the NAZI mantra BD; you are starting to believe all that crap.
There is no need to mention NAZIS at all; Proletariat Propaganda will suffice, exactally the same meaning.

"Spendocrat would be prattling off some manifesto automaton run sheet."

Heh, yes, suggesting knowledge before certainty, how mindless of me.

The worldwide caliphate is what Osama Bin Laden wants. The "choice" given others is become a believer or death.

Osama's lieutenants have said they have a "right" to kill millions of men, women and children who don't believe.

That doesn't seem peaceful to me, but the opposite.