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UOG your not making sense, and you are totally avoiding the questions asked of you.

Macroevolution is used to refer to any evolutionary change at or above the level of species. It means at least the splitting of a species into two. Russian entomologist Yuri Filipchenko first coined the terms "macroevolution" and "microevolution" in 1927 in his German language work, "Variabilität und Variation". Evidence from genetics, backed up by such things as the fossil record and many other aspects that I have provided previously, are great evidence to common ancestory.

Your technique to avoid providing any evidence as to your claims, is to try and get me to explain that which is freely accepted by the majority of all scientific institutions across the world and freely available. You are basically trying to avoid the fact you HAVE NOTHING.

You are claiming that a god did it, with no evidence whatsoever.

Please provide your evidence so that we can compare the validity of both. So far, you are failing to provide any evidence, only pointing at gaps in knowledge of science, and hollering that your god fills those gaps.

Provide evidence for this. Otherwise your claims can be rightly dismissed as just assertions with no evidence whatsoever.

pure hypocrisy on your part OUG.
Posted by Gee Suss, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 2:10:02 PM
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lol..gee-A/suss quote<<Macroevolution..at..or above..the level of species.>>>right..species..mutate/..within the bounds..of their genus

then you return to..mindnumb-SUSS...and/redefine it..lol..quote<<..It means..at least..the splitting of a species into two.>>..no thats ..micro..[within the SPECIES..[evolution]see../darwin/evolution..OF SPECIES

MORE..SUSS/quotes..<<..god did it,..with no..evidence..>>>

your claiming genus..evolves out of genus...lol..thats clearly insane...
you have not one..evidence...of macro/evolution...NONE...

<<Please provide evidence...>>>my evidence..lies with..your braindead...yet still living....
get it...the intelligence..HAS GONE...

..the..'life'.animus../logic/intelligence/thought/act/emotion..IS GONE

here is..a further quote..[from ya link]

<<"...many reasons..why..you might not understand..
[an explanation..of..a scientific-theory]...>>lol

<<..Finally,..there is..this possibility:..after I tell you something,
..you just..can't believe it...You can't..accept it.>>..

like..how i..take life/..living...
as..the sign..from life/creator/god

ALL SCIENCE CONFIRM's...LIFE;}..COMES FROM LIFE

CONFIRMS..PARENTS;}..LIKE CHILDREN..LOL...
LIVE WITH IT..or..present your facts

scientist continues....WHEN..<<You don't like it...
..A little-screen comes down..and..you..don't listen..any-more>>>..lol

<<I'm..going to describe..to you..how Nature/god is..
..and if you don't like it,..
that's..going to get..in the way..of your..understanding it.>>..lol

<<It's a problem..that..[scientists]..have learned to deal with:>>
..yet not..A/thiests..lol

<<They've..learned to realize..that whether..they like a theory
or..they don't..like a theory..is not..''the essential question''...>>

..<<Rather,..it is whether..[or not]..the theory..gives predictions*
..that agree..with experiment's.>>>

lol...THEY DONT..LOL

<<It is not..a question..of whether..a theory is philosophically>>../moraly/deceitfull....<<..or delightful,..or easy to understand,..or perfectly reasonable...from the point of view..of common/sense>>>

lol...ie believe/...belief/..=systemised BELIEF..
ie..re belief/fixation/macro evolution's...deception...

<<[A..scientific/theory]..describes Nature>>>lol

desribes/nature..<<..as absurd..from the point of view..of common sense>>>lol

and you lot..got too much common sense..lol..[of species...micro-evolving..

..thus sweallow..the lie..of genus...lol..evolving..

SCIENCE..<<..agrees fully/with experiment>>>
so where..is your..experiments...lol..[of genus evolving]..

WHAT'/where..is that first..living/genus/species..
../reveal your genus evolution tree.

name its root...REPLICATE/*
..*/make first one like it

[REVEAL/YOUR EXPERIMENTS..that../prove evolution..OF GENUS

back to scientist..[from ya link]

..<<So I hope..you can accept Nature..as She is...absurd>>>>

what more..''absurd''
..a god/life..creating life..
or life logiclly..making itself..by chance...

look at your hand...make one like it

lol..


LINK..quote..<<<..I'm going to have fun..telling you..about this absurdity>>>lol...me..too

<<<because I find it delightful..>>>lol

<<Please don't turn yourself off..
because..you can't believe..Nature/god..is so strange.>>>...

lol...god is less strange..
.once you seek to know him

quote<<Just hear me all out,and I hope..you'll be as delighted..as I am..when we're through.>>"

..Richard P.Feynman..
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 7:59:53 PM
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Epic fail OUG, just hypocrisy, you have nothing, you've shown nothing, your claims are nothing but empty hypocritical bait and shift from the fact you have .. nothing. nada, zilch, etc etc ad infinitum of nothingness. An empty set. You have a dead parrot my friend. You also show less decency to fellow humans than any atheist I have ever met, your an embarrassment to the moral compass you claim to follow in your continual abuse and calling people 'retards' that differ in opinion to your wild claims ... that are based on nothing.

There's vastly more evidence for evolution than there is for your god creating things, I have already explained these things to you, and you just keep asking the same questions as you do not understand how taxonomy works, nor why we are moving to phylogenetic trees (see cladistics) and rattle off ignorance that it is just a naming convention. You can't even provide one bit of evidence for your claims your god did it, let alone your god exists, let alone things were created.

It's all just you making stuff up out of thin air to fill in gaps. You attack science because you are threatened that you have nothing. All you can do is try and attack science, which works on building falsifiable, testable evidence.

LOL

you hypocrite :)
Posted by Gee Suss, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 8:41:58 PM
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OUG,

Looking to life and at ourselves in the mirror to prove the creation of the same is a circular argument.The existence of life does not explain the building of life. It does not explain "how" Zeus or Yahweh or another god created the first cell. The Babylonians with Ea have something of an answer, yet incomplete, but even they don't say how blood was created in heaven.

So, let us try again:

How and by mechanism did God create the first living cell? Explain the process by which the creation phenomonon was achieved.How does God's breath create life? How did God create the first cell membrane? Detail please. Readers her still await detail. What happened at the level of atoms and molecules?

Again,

- How and by mechanism did God create the first living cell?

Also,

- Why does God breathe?

- Was Zeus justified in punishing the Titans?
Posted by Oliver, Thursday, 5 November 2009 6:53:24 AM
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your redirdction..is obvious..IN LUE OF FACTS...

you know/i can rebut..your droll/facts..lol/
cause you got no/VALID/fact..re genus evolution/first life..etc

BUT..I WILL REPLY YOURS...your ongoing..redirecting..and lack of reply..to the questions..is clear to all

now you reply mine

you..ask how god breath's..like it matter's,,his life/force/breath..flows..not in and out..but through..all life/constantly..[think/like a magnet..the inflow..is via our belly button]..

here's..a clue..to..what god does
http://www.mitochondrial.net/showabstract.php?pmid=10508238&redirect=yes&terms=cell+death+stages

<<Programmed cell/death..involves a series of biochemical events..leading..to a characteristic cell morphology and death;...that lead to a variety..of morphological changes..

including blebbing,..changes to the cell-membrane..such as loss of membrane asymmetry and attachment,..cell shrinkage,..nuclear fragmentation,..chromatin condensation,.and chromosomal DNA/fragmentation.(See also//Apoptosis DNA/fragmentation>>..

see how..the life giver..god..sustains all living

NOW..reply my questions..

...lets reveal some..more/ccc-rap..from your/link

<<Stromatolites..are the..earliest known fossils..of life..at its very beginning>>.

<<It was..the first self-sustained..recycling ecosystem>>..lol

<<on Earth..Life was passive..at that time...There were no hunters and hunted...Paradise>>LOL<<was inhabited by microbes,..each a few thousandth..of a millimetre..across.>>

then..lol..<<...They were cyanobacteria,>>so search

from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanobacteria

<<what came first...the dna/..or the mitraconda>>>lol

<<Mitochondria are believed to have originated..not from cyanobacteria..
..but from an ancestor of Rickettsia.>>

so go to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickettsia

Rickettsia cannot live...in artificial nutrient environments>>>lol

<<..and are grown..either in tissue..or embryo cultures>>>LOL<<..(typically.. chicken embryos are used)>>THUS rickett-cia..COULDNT PRECEED LIFE...lol...it LIVES OFF LIFE

<<Rickettsia/species are carried..as parasites..by many ticks,fleas,and lice>>

<<we believe that Cyanobacteria..were some of the first living organisms>>yet where the dna/mitraconda/etc

.<<..Fossils known as stromatolites...were originally formed//by the growth of layer upon layer of Cyanobacteria,

<<Cyanobacteria are prokaryotic one-cellers...Their cells are fore-runners..of today's eukaryotic cells>>LOL..reveal its evolving...lol..it hasnt

<<,..which most life,..plants and animals,..share>>>..having the same creator?

.
<<The prokaryotic cell..is an indifferentiated bag of plasma..with a strand of DNA thrown in>>>lol..[see vidio for rebuttal.

<<Reproduction is by cell division...Each new life is a replica of the old,>>>LOL..

<<The eukaryotic cell,..by contrast,..is a complex entity>>lol

<<organised into special departments..organelles..for specialised functions>>>lol

<<like respiration or photosynthesis...And it has a separate enclosed nucleus..which holds the genetic material>>.not so simple is it.

<<Cyanobacteria are interesting,,is that they show gliding motility/movement of cells..over surfaces without the aid of flagella>>...<<yet the mechanism of gliding/motility..by means of rotating flagette/..is unknown.>>>lol

continued
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 5 November 2009 9:11:54 AM
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your re-direction...in lue of facts..is obvious..
IN LUE OF FACTS...you got no science..lol

cause you know..i can rebut your/droll 2 de hand opinion/species theory
/masked as facts..re genus evolution..lol/

cause you got no fact..re genus evolution/first life..etc..
your desperation..is clear

WHO GIVEA A FUC ..BOUT zeus and dead/titans

you claim..a living science
lol

..PRESENT YOUR FACTS NOW

but back to demolishing..ya/lol..proof....
LOL..contradictory link's..

..<<Cyanobacteria...The molecular mechanism..by which most bacteria propel themselves..through liquid media..by means of rotating flagella..is relatively well understood.>>of many parts..see vidio/under

<<Gliding motility is a trait..common to many bacteria,..yet..the mechanism of gliding/motility..is unknown.>>>
nor how it's many componant/parts..could posably have..lol..gradually EVOLVED..lol

its the same..with the amasing amoeba...here is one..i rebutted...LAST TIME
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2305&page=0#50521

<<The gliding motility apparatus..which propels..the cells..involves a complex of proteins,..yet the actual nature of the "motor"..and how the components interact..is not understood.>>lol..pretty advanced first cell./.see vidio

You can watch Oscillatoria cells..gliding in real time..in this video
http://www.microbiologybytes.com/video/cd.html
http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:P_WI_FrqwxUJ:www.microbiologybytes.com/video/Cyanobacteria.html+are+cynobacteria+microbes&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk
or watch these...*irreducable complex*..
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%2Airreducible%20complex%2A&search=Search&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&spell=1

if that dont work..watch a few vidio's here
http://www.youtube.com/user/HighFlyingDutchman#p/u/88/nARvP05om3o

watch...
do mutations prove evolution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQDFOcC2vR8

..do galapogus finches prove evolution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk38jmVG0Qk
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=do+galapogus+finches+prove+evolution&search_type=&aq=f

.of genus..dont question evolution..lol
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dont+question+evolution&search_type=&aq=f

..dorkins being clever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhh4NVhOv_E
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dawkins+being+clever&search_type=&aq=f

....evolutionist lets question your belief...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzjB-BVpcDE

is dorkins really an athiest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbBbbORt7LI

...dr david berlinski on evolution..
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=david+berlinski+on+evolution&search_type=&aq=f
..
fossils of evolution1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q03WDgQ0jc
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fossils+of+evolution+1+2&search_type=&aq=f

famous athiest anthony flew changes his mind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNkxpTIbCIw&feature=PlayList&p=45A9F98F21A0AEE3&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=4

forgeries of evolution

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=forgeries+of+evolution&search_type=&aq=f

..scientists on evolution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og-ll0SZXNk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nARvP05om3o

..ignorance concerning god
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RILXInw7Xzc

...and lol..the brain one..lol...loll happend by accident...lol
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+amasing+brain&search_type=&aq=f
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 5 November 2009 10:10:35 AM
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