OUG, please, as requested, provide your evidence, rather than just assertions that science is false.

You have not provided any evidence as to creation, and if you look up google on everything you have provided, it is clearly refuted. It's a waste of time going thru regurgitating that which is freely available, had massive peer review world wide, just because some with faith want to justify the existence of their sky daddy, with no evidence to back it up.

Until you provide evidence, I am not going to continually provide evidence for evolution as I have done, where you just regurgitate refuted material over and over again in an attempt to discredit the massive consensus of science. Where you just stick to your total misunderstanding of the taxonomic tree in trying to state there are no new genus. over and over an over.

You are making a claim with no evidence, excuse me while I laugh as you throw stones at clear evidence, whining that it is not good enough, whilst providing none for your claims.

On another point .. your also quite heavily involved with the 'Freemen' anti-government movement aren't you?

What do you think of what Scott Roeder did?

http://www.smh.com.au/world/gunman-says-murder-of-abortion-doctors-was-justified-20090602-btj6.html

Do you think that act was justified in that it was based the bible, the taking of an abortion doctors life was justified, based on a belief with no evidence?

OUG,

The link you provided has to do with cell death not how God's breath created the first cell. What would an integrated model of God's breath and cell animation look like? Saying that there is a life force constantly present explains nothing.

The Bible makes a Creation claim. Please prove the Bible's claim using Biology and/or and/or Chemstry and/or Geo-Physics. Else, one has imaginary ideas about the uproved contrivence of Magician. And I would have thought you posit God is not a merely a Magician.

How does God's breath interact with Carbon and Amino Acids? Please, please see I not asking for the consequence or the on-going presence of some divine breath*. Some article on death of cells really does not step up the plate.

Maybe a visitor from the planet Zot having a Science far in advanced of our own would look at our Genetics, as, in scale, we might see the Ancient Greeks attempt to describe the Atom. Yet, the Zotarians could not deny we have theories based on models.On the other hand, what would the Zotarian make of Genesis? There hangs unsubstantiated claim that life is created by God's breath, having no model.

Image Gee Suss and I are Zorarians and ask you for your Creation model explaining how God's breath created the first cell. What is that model?


*"The Divine Breath"? It reads like something out of "The Life of Brian".

Gee Suss,

Wouldn't it be a joke on us, if OUG is really an atheist biologist, whom normally writes using impressively well focus and highly articulated paragraphs with amazingly attention grabbing topic sentences.

its..science/method..to note/..what dies..to discern what...quality..lives..

but duh/liver..is too thick..to comprehend..the heart...but get in line...im screwing ya..one at a time....its not..your time...yet

GOING BEYOND..SUSS/points...now..its/smear..from the suss/one..<<Your also..quite heavily involved with the..'Freemen'.anti-government-movement..aren't you?>>

its not..antigovt..ya smeer/monger...
its pro/freedom...and we got..mainly/athiests,,lol

your a/thiest-ly..sad bloke/mate

<<You have/not ..evidence..creation>>..open ya fukking eyes pal..
compare thyne/posts..with mine..

watch/the-reveal..who..the desperite enough..lol..to smeer/and snear..at things..beyond your ken/..knowing

<<look up google.,..it is..clearly refuted.>>

i google everything..go ahead..visit the links from my/MANY..searches..REBUT THEM..IF YOU CAN...

lol..ya retard/smeer/A-lol-thiest/fear-merchant

<<It's a waste of time...that..which is freely/available,>>>your very funny...most science TEXTS YOU NEED TO BUY..lol ya retard..go visit the real-science/frauds..........their info..is'nt/..free

thats why google..throws up/creation-science/sites...cause your scientists..are after their..next grant/or..after/a cosy retirment/or..indenture

<<massivelol/peer-review/lol/world wide>>>...within ever more/narrow SPECIALISED/bounds..following strict guidlines..[see previous debate]...peers...lol..

peers/rebutted..the round/earth..theory...
peers/rebutted..near every/new-thinker..
thats whats wrong with ya science...
its the blind in-validating..the those deemed/least ignorant

<<I am not/provide evidence for evolution..>>
GREAT..you wont keep looking so ignorant...lol...

how conveniant....YOU..like dorkins..lol..refuses to debate/creation/scientists..
.lol...welcome to the athiest/closed-mind/creed...lol

ps...please READ..what you wrote about..NOT..taxonomic..now..lol..

<<your total misunderstanding of the taxonomic tree>>.
PROVIDE A..GENUS TREE ...genious

..you forget..what ya...quote<<The problem is...that's why/Cladistics..concept of/the taxonomic tree..is skewed>>in your own words..lol
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3124&page=0#74755

loll ya...two faced/bragert/coward/smeer-artist/..a-lol-/thiest

you miss/Quote..me constantly....another athiest/trait...lol..

QUOTE..<<..state there are no new genus./over/and/over.an over>>

and time /and again..you refuse to provide..FIRST LIFE...
nor/confirmed evolution..of one genus..into another genus../refuse to give...a genus/evolution tree..

TRY PRESENTING/SOME EVIDENCE...lol..ya dolt.

On THE/other smeer/snear/point ..

<<What do you think..of what Scott Roeder did?>>

wouldnt know..nor care...
what you think about..athiest rapists?..
...does this mean all of ya are?

are you still beating...the wife and kids...lol ya retard..smear is easy/a-thiest-easy..

<<Do you think that act..was justified..in that it was based the/bible,>>..

deceit/deception/smear/lie...but..i/wouldnt frikking know...

the bible teaches us ABOUT GOD...
how to know HIM..
via love of neighbour...

be they thiest/or A/-lol-looney/a-thiest..

or revolting taxmaN/DOCTER/LAWYER/GOVT/MURDER-IST...OR LOL..ATH-IEST/feigning good..to do mostly vile

YOUR?QUOTE..<<the taking of an abortion doctors....life was justified,..based on a belief with no evidence?>>

.........ANY DEATH...BLASPHEMES..THE LIFE GIVER/...GOOD/..GOD

BOTH..WILL BE IN HELL..

\but know..by god/..good

good is given..equally..to all
who realise..atonement..at-one-meant

prove there isnt a god...you claim the science
lol disprove god....ya idiot

OUG,

Unwanted insults aside, what you have written is totally incomprehensible. Would you please resubmit using traditional paragraphs and sentences,as you were taught in primary school?

If your thoughts run away at times, why not try writing and posting a second more lucid draft, rather than a scabbled first draft thought map? Get the "flood of thoughts" on paper and then rewrite into something others can follow.

You still haven't explained how God's breath created the first cell. Creation by breath is a Creationist assertion, it is up to Creationist to validate the same with a working model.

OUG, in amongst that rambling, I have put forward evidence, I am asking for yours, yet you do not provide it. You are asking me to disprove a claim of YOURS that there is a god.

Argumentum ad Ignorantiam is what you are doing, that is not reasoning.

http://philosophy.lander.edu/scireas/ignorance.html
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html

Please provide evidence for your claims. simple. so far you have provided nothing but a never ending stream of misconception based on your sticking to an outdated form of the taxonomic tree, that is just a naming convention for the heritage of life forms. You have not provided evidence over why it stops above speciation (which is technically macroevolution). You talk about truth, but are providing none, only assertions which you will not back up with evidence. You are avoiding it .. why?

I wasn't smearing you, what did I state that is not fact? Are you a member of the Freemen or not? Are the Freemen opposed to government or not? How is that like you claiming a beat my children and wife, which is an outright lie?

I asked the question as I want to know if god tells you to do something, will you do it?

For instance, your god told Samuel, to tell Saul, to go kill the Amalekites, man, women and child, for something their ancestors did 400 years previously (just one example from many, for example there's stuff like god telling abraham to kill his son) .. was that morally wrong? Or was that the moral thing to do because your god told them too? (and in the case of Saul, was told via Samuel)

How do you know what your god tells you should be done, and would you do something your god 'told you' too?

I think this is important in gaging why you claim morals, yet are so aggressive with attacking people with name calling etc, and how you justify morality perspectives placing a 'god' as the 'deliverer' of that.

didnt..'do'..primery/school

..back/..suss..the topic..is....athiest/meeting..

athiest/means..=..no/god..lol
Argumentum ad Ignorantiam..is what..you lot/are doing.!*!

.validate/prove..no god..l0l..O'retarded/one

see no god belief..needs its evidence..STICK TO TOPIC..ya dolt

you claim science...present the science..of..lol..no god,

know..by god..life is given..to all living
realise atonement..at-one-meant
../dark/or/light..
it's..as you chose

prove..there isnt/a god...

you claim..lol..the science/of lol athiesm..lol

lol..disprove god....ya SUSS/dorkins/dark-kins../idiot
but you cant..loll ya dark/dolt..

but/by good..you/are...neighbour..
as such..just know...how i much..love you
for love..draws me..closer to good/..god

but..in knowing/this
...i yet chose to address you..in the darkness
thus/joining your..idiocy/no mind.. to mine

lol..ya retard..realise..
your an enjoined/..living HEIR..of god

live/like a good/man...
not..like..the pond/scum...

you lot/..claim..we revolted/..evolved..from..scum..
dont/keep on../proving it/..with mindless/fictions...lol

ok/..now,duh/liver..QUOTE..<<The link>>>..replied

<<What..God's/breath..and cell..animation/look like?>>..see an aura..see the chakra-points..see the god..living/..energy going in..via the belly button..directly linked to our own god cell..[star..in the heavens...gods light/..bright/good/true...etc..is how it is described...

<<Saying..a..life-force..explains nothing.>>>..you cant comprehend..the earthly things...how can you expect..to hear the things of spirit...

..the god/good/living-energy..circulates..via our lymph/and endocronic systems etc..into our heart..then via the blood system,nerves,..to the brain.lungs/skin....,back into the darkness,..hells etc...,

to emerge..yet again..via the macro-level/god/star/>in heavens linked via silver cord..to..belly/>button etc..that at the ultra microscopic level/via the womb..enables a gateway into these lower/dark/hell..realms..for it's/shape..links to the lowest pits in hell...from which we each-MUST emerge to..get born..in these reams/again..

,,.each..{ALL/LIVING>>HERE>.having decended..beyond all..the foul/levels of hell/>pits...just to get here...thus..the living..of even the most foul..is made holy..because each living has gods energy/natural=breath/energy..is..sustaining it..to life..

no living..god/logus/logic/light/love..NO..life..
the god/breath..outflows from our crown...back..into the earth/..via the aura..back into..the dark hells...think of it like..the orbit of a circum-polar electron/photon..that..your...lol..peers..also..have...not told you about



<<The Bible..makes/Creation claim>>>yes..it does...light/plants/life..etc

<<prove/the Bible's-claim..using Biology/Chemstry and/or Geo-Physics>>..what loyality..have i..to a teacher/book..who has gotten corrupted..of the flesh/and/spirit..

many/agnostic/...a-thiests..are closer to the reality/truth..of gods love...than those who murder..in his name..but..YOU?LOT.. only got one thing wrong...the god bit

<<God..is not/Magician>>...yes you are correct...god is all/..in all of all..everything...ana..[alpha/negative/alpha]...omega.zeta/delta..etc..

infinite omnipresent..that we did to the LEAST..we did to him

..in a puff of his/own logic...think...pre-big/bang...nothing

without god is nothing/...mearly that something is..is proof of god[everything=god]

<<planet Zot>>>[ya dolt....a space craft/moving..AT _THE_SPEED/OF_LIGHT..would take ..2000..years...[50 generations...to get to the nearest...lol..'earth/star...

alians is idiocy

reply..my questions..now..the pair of ya