OUG, you didn't read what I wrote.

You are asking me to disprove a claim of YOURS that there is a god.

Argumentum ad Ignorantiam, or burden of proof, lies with the person making the claim, which is YOU.

You are claiming that 'god did it', so provide your evidence for this.

Science is not making any claim as to what did it. It has hypothesis, but it is only guesses at this stage. Science is working on the evidence. Your busy trying to poke holes in it, which is all great, but your ignoring the fact that science can change it's position given strong enough evidence, or lack of it. Will you?

That's a vastly different stance to yours, which is just making a leap to a conclusion, with no evidence. Indeed you refuse to give it, and looking quite obvious in your attempts to avoid the questions.

So provide the evidence for your conclusion. Oliver has also asked pertinent questions on the specifics of your claims, and your just avoiding them totally. It's showing.

The emperor appears to have no clothes.

PS: your posts are virtually incoherent.

OUG,

You know very well my reference to the Zotarians was a hypothetical device to show Science uses incomplete models based on evidence available at our present stage of development. A more progressed civilization (or our future selves) might see our contemporary solutions as elementary, yet our current scientific method would still be sound. On the other hand, Creationists don't even attempt (correct me if I am wrong) to explain how God's breath interacts with inorganic properties to achieve a living cell, the first living cell.

I appreciate that you can have loyalty to a Book and its authors, as you have claimed, yet loyalty does not confirm the claims made by the Book.

You claim knowledge absolutely, based on a few sentences in an ancient book. Herein, suppose someone finds an ancient book today, while exploring the Amazon Jungle. The Book claims to be written by God. And how do new believers in the Book know it is Holy Revelation? Hey, because it says so:

Somewhere midst this self-referencing circularity, we read that Fred was created from a sneeze from Zahwez, and that Zahwez took a toe nail from Fred to create Betty. Okay, how do we validate the claims objectively? Surely, we ask Zahwez's followers to explain by what mechanism Zahwez's sneeze achieved Fred's first living cell?

Moreover, we might ask why was an entire toe nail required to create Betty, given a divine genetist was on the job?

What models do you have to explain:

- How did Zahwez's sneeze create Fred's first living cell? By what process? [Not consequence or post hoc presence}

- Why did Zahwez need an entire toe nail from Fred to create Betty, when one cell would have sufficed?

Also,

- Was Zeus was justified in punishing the Titans?

Both Gee Suss and I have posed questions. We await your coherent reply.

SUSS?..quote..<<It>..evolution..<<..has hypothesis,..but..it is only guesses..at/this-stage.>>..

lol..it is clear..that suss/one..cant comprehend....it suits his/claim..to claim/science..when/the science.he claims..hides huge/frauds...

worse..colluded..the highest/'true-cause'..not..of god/good..but chance....their evidence..[hyp0-thesis/..guesses...lol

children well/know..because..one adult/..is kind...not all..of them are..knows..cats/dont breed/dogs

but then..we take your innocent minds..and program them..with deceptive lies..we inform you..of the tooth-fairy....the eater-bunny..and satan/clause

then..as adults..they wont/...dont even notice..
ester/bunnies..cover over jesus death/rebirth...eternal/spirit

that..satan/clause/..santa-claws..neatly/covers-over..his incarnating/..into flesh/birth..thus as man...reveals that man..does[all/of us]..even a thief on a cross

thus..lol..adult's..fail to notice..many other absurdities...
such as..apes breeding humans/..pumping sicknes/mercury..
into your blood..to make you well..
lol..cause..lol

..a science/demonic/godhead..says..its good..[for who?]

or furry/limbed..walking/talking..fish..talking-dogs/pigs/demons
..its no wonder..evolution..is sold to children

because..you adult/athiest-cult/lot..
..dont even...seek to know/good/god

you ask..what good/god..does
ok...watch his hand..at work

to grasp/gods/greatness...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGfHBRclEJ8

please note..it's happening..RIGHT..NOW..in each of...your bodies./.trillions of cells...right now/trillions of cells..just in..your own/body

and you dolts..actually defend its happenstance...by chance/fluke/accident...lol..via..<<hyp0-thesis/..guesses>...lol

i feel sad..you..see not..the hand of/the master..
who loves..even you/few..decieving/decieved/..perpetually..ignorant/..children

yes...SO/few despite..your big talk...
your..lol..not/thiest..belief..lol..

is less/than..15 percent..of beliefs..not the 50%...that..your leaders..hope to miss-lead..you..by deciet..into believing

and..by..pretending/to be..failing to..lol..comprehend../understand/..lol...
are colectivly mute/..un-able to read..any challanges...to their igno-rants..thus..keeping you into..their limited/believing in../...loll..DIS-belief..

saying..their..not god/..darkness/is real...
and that..the logic/light/life/love..is not proven....lol

claim aberantly/ignorantly..they have/science...
yet reveal..that/they cant even comprehend..basic/science

nor explain/...nor present..
faulsifyable..evidence/science of...any evolution of..any/new genus..

they...lol..

got no first-life..
got no genus evolution..

got no evidence of..NOT god..
got no idea
got no comprehention..
got no explanation
got no valid..to their/genus..evolving..theory/...thus..

got no science

sadly...they/got..god..
but are too ignorant..to realise it

cant comprehend...no under-stan-ding...
god confounds who he will

...except these dolts..

..see its the same ignorant/...faith based..dis-belief...belief/system

ignorantly...they..confuse only themselves..
..by removing the cause/reason/good/..god

...this is where ignorant/faithlessness..leads...gullability...

and la/la...cant hear/understand/comprehend...
what/ever...you..might try to say..
clearly/simply..for them

lol...ahh/men
you poor child

this was cut/edited out of previous/liver reply..ok continue...<<gods light/..bright/good/true...etc..is how it is described...>>as god desrcibes it...there was only the deep/..then a big bang..let there be firmameant..[terra/firma...as the we dusts..of creation..emerged from the waters,..god saw a light/reflection..

yet he..is the only light

anyhow he saw his reflection..a mere..[glint..upon the firmament..and imagined/the light in his image..

saw his own light..and the first..not light was living..sustained by god's own light..light.life/logic..loves..life lives via gods simply observing,

,think..quantum..particle physics..a..positive feedback loop..continues...

That oug has had a bad time of life is obvious. She/he therefore feels blame will cure the problems. Atheists are on the blame list. Blame them and feel better is the method but she/he knows that that is not working. But look at the consequences of that blame game. No respect for fellow humans and would gladly see all who do not agree with accepting myth as fact, thrown into the pits of an imaginary hell to be tortured forever by demons. The feeble excuse that it is a free-will choice is laughable. Right, people choose to be tortured forever.

That is not a sane comment or wish. Not even Hitler deserves that.

And therein lays the problem with oug. Someone has instilled the fear of hell, Satan, demons and eternal punishment into her/him. The terror produced has stolen oug’s humanity and replaced it with venom, invective, confusion and self-righteousness. Another effect has been that oug seems impervious to how others perceive her/his ramblings. It surely cannot be the case that she/he really believes anyone is impressed by or convinced by such methods.

oug is playing a one person band to her/himself.

The fear of hell is an underestimated consequence of religious indoctrination and no wonder inflicting that on children is rightly becoming known as child abuse.

There is no greater reason for having the Global Atheist Convention next year in Melbourne than to help expose this dark side of religion where it takes no responsibility for its effect on the malleable minds of the young.

The attitude of oug should chill the thoughts of even the most fervent believer that this is very wrong.

David

DAVIDIAN..quote<<hell0-tortured-demons...>>mate/read how..we divide ourselves/here..

and the next/life..ie..those/who love-torture...CAN ONLY TORTURE/rape/..beatup..etc..others..that LOVE..THE SAME THING

<<free-will choice-laughable>>>..mate know we/thiests..are as divided as you not thiest

[we dont assosiate..in the after life..except..where our intrests interceed/..interact...like..eg..stamp-collecters..dont care what..aspect of stamp-collecting..you love

<<people choose..to be tortured forever>>..yeag...go figure...
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=gd&q=loves+pain%2Ftorture&hl=en-GB&rls=MEDA,MEDA:2008-36,MEDA:en-GB

lol..freewill..eh?..

dammm..how cruel...of the/god of love...[all-love]..lol
..to give..each..WHAT..THEY/..LOVE

the liver/spot/posits.<<<.Zrotarians...created/us>>
,..WHO CREATED/THEM...lol..ya retard

response..to duh/liver...continued...the light-cord..that joins..cause to affect..me/we..has allready been recorded..at the other/debates/books/science/theo-logical/..etc

<<..so please reveal..the first...living..>>

i believe,..,knowing..is important..enough....to talk..even/to..you..dark-ones..

ignoring the bleeding/..bleating..obvious...
..they got no case..for their non-lol-belief

just like..darkness..is/mearly..is an ab-sense/..of light

anyhow..some of the gaps..might yet be filled..collectivly...

..except you dolts/dont know science

but..see..science/scientific..vision's/obeserrvations..lol...
..of a cell dividing...one god=one cell

let your minds eye reveal..the cell splitting..
dividing its oneness...with god..[oneness is is the ONLY/possable...BUT

as..a reflection of/the one...why not two..[copies]..BANG..
then two glints...

mirrors/selves..as god puts it..
.
he=me...me=inverted-we...he/he..we/we/me..-i..am=ur2
as you dont here god...i will translate/expand..

let man comprehend..god playing joyfully..with all..these TWO/cells...
EACH CELL RECIEVING..HIS..ever-observing..
LIGHT/influx,..sustaining it..to live..animus/life...from the only living

the two became many...divereged..into miriad forms..into all dimentions..

[for such is the infiniture..of the light...as our sciences reveal..
light..has many specrums..wavelengths....

yet these waves..are waves..of individual/photons/electrons..
[i cant name]..the many fold sepperate...copies of....the/one/unique...
revealing the miriad of..'substances'..<<in>>..the light..sustained of the light

for light is of many-fold parts...each sustaining..the latest evolution of the oneness..allness/we/me.

but each light/radiation/..wave-particle/..specrum/energy/force...
remains..within its bounds of reason..forms its own sepperate emmiting waves/
..particle's..in union..via a certain cause..

like..[genus...=..logic../..species..possabilities..within..that...logic..]A[..genus

infa-red../ultraviolet..blue/violet/red..yellow...each individually..a god blink../reflection/incarnated..reality..de-fact..by the cause of lifes specific acts..)

all the parts of the light..are..part of/gods light...
yet form waves..as..one event/causes another..

as one copy/reflection of the light
..form unions of form/shape...with other light reflections..
sustained to life..act..by causal/action..
joining other reflections/unions..reflections of the oneness{all}....at infinitum..

we are trillions of singlular/living cells..
forming together/revealing all the possabilities of..origonal/cause..god/one...[0]

[0]//being god/..cause/good////love/living logic/light...
refected by the many/copies/living..reflections..living because the light..[1]..lives
science didnt cause life/from the light...god did

sorting the sense=[1]
from the nonsense/..US..
...wheat from tares/good from bad...light..from not light...cause from affect
life from the dirt...

too[deep]?

well reveal ya science

the more you reveal...
the more...we all learn about the ....one...

reflect on iT.../1

Total gibberish!

David