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The Rise of Atheism - Convention

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duh/liver..you..provide/links...expecting me to play..your link/destraction...that dosnt..specificly..reply the questions...lol

gee..a-suss..quote<<..Science never claimed..it knows...yet..how life actually..started..>>lol

here is my/rebuttal/livers..link...ie note..rna/life...is speculated here...the link..has many errors...but neatly rebuts..your/livers..protyotes..

http://www.actionbioscience.org/newfrontiers/jeffares_poole.html

<<rna...said..to pre-ceed..ANYTHING..with dna..>>
ie your first link..rebutted..by this..own goal

im suggesting ya seek PHOTO..SOMETHING...OF THE..lol.SOMETHING GENUS

as in...SOME-THING..consuming light...
but that..gets too close to gods/creation

as god said..let there be light
then..let there be life/living...
capable of living...on photons...lol..photo-lol..something...lol

and god breathed..his living spirit..into the first photo/lol/something..life...creating..lol..the unknown first living genus...CALLED WHAT?

..that can leave/..
DIE...killing the inner mind/spirit
...AND IN-TIME ITS ABILITY TO LIVE...
yet science..can keep..it..living..
but not intelligent

beyond the spirit leaving..the SEEMINGLY/living brain/body behind..
kept alive by darwinian demons..able to minic..but not origonate life/logic/mind...nor even state their orgigonal..lol acidental/chance/fluke/..first living..lol

i love you mindnumb/A/hole?/thiests..who think they have science/holy water..they can convince...the athiest faithfull/..brain dead...that/..lol..their lol..collection of scince/facts

are the known truths...are truelly...exsisting..WITHOUT..the god gene from an intelligent designer

excesing god..from their neo..[new]..non god..belief system

with their godfree/religioun..
and its assosiate...religious/zeal/sealots

from my link<<One of the most central machines..in the cell is the ...into the language of proteins>>

your evolution..needs to evolve code..THEN..lol..ribosome..which translates..the genetic code..stored in DNA

all bits are needed for life..
the best..you got..is accident/fluke/chance/
..theory...in lue of fact/..science relitive fact

<<Prokaryotes maintain their genome..in a single copy,..
>>Many eukaryotes have two copies,..>>
then a lot further down

<<In eukaryotes, chromosomes are made of linear DNA...
..In prokaryotes the genome..is made of circular DNA.>>

so what evolved FIRST..the straight..got bent
or the bent..straightend out..lol...present your proof/science

<<Unlike prokaryotes,..eukaryotes keep backup copies>>

it is this backup/..that repairs those errors..you lot call evolution.
..to wit...only evidence..of genus stasis..ie not evolvution of genus


<<The core of the ribosome is made from RNA,>>
that must come from dna...in/from..living life..[gods breath]

<<with proteins..providing a scaffold to hold the RNA in place.>>..

name the specific proteins..are these life..or product FROM LIFE..
what sustained this first life...beyond proto-life

<<is a strong argument..that protein synthesis..was invented in the RNA world>>>

invented by what...lol..

an intelligent designer..putting together..the logic....
the nature of natural..doing the logical..lol..natural/selection..

name the first..genus/SPECIES...THAT EVOLVED..into what

you claim science
WELL...PRESENT IT
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 10:09:39 AM
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OUG, I have stated repetitively science does not claim to yet know how life started on the planet. Yet this is the basis for your argument and claims of 'victory' over science. ridiculous.

You are claiming how life first started on the planet, not science. Science is quite openly only investigating, and only has hypothesis. You however are claiming that your assertions are fact.

Asking me for evidence of it is a straw man argument, as I or science are not claiming it, YOU ARE.

Please provide your evidence that your god created first life as you are claiming, otherwise, you are simply a hypocrite, nothing more.
Posted by Gee Suss, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 10:49:03 AM
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(To OUG) Please provide your evidence that your god created first life as you are claiming, otherwise, you are simply a hypocrite, nothing more. - Gee Sus

Likewise, I have indicated we are only at the "first steps" of creating a cell and that science is just discovering plausible templates. Science is opned about its boundaries .Fifty years from now we may know more, as we know more than researchers from 1960.

Please state how god created the first cell. Detail please OUG. Detail please OUG. And in case you missed it: Detail please OUG.

Also, please answer the question:

- Was Zeus justified in punishing the Titans?
Posted by Oliver, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 11:15:00 AM
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I think that may be a new record, oug - 515 words in a single 350-word post.

What a pity none of them makes sense.
Posted by Pericles, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 12:32:51 PM
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OUG,

On re-reading, you do drop a hit, "god's breath". Herein, I add:

- How did God's breath create the first cell?

Also,

Does Genesis say that god breathed life into other non-human creatures? If so, in a sense, all life is created in god's image or at least God's constituent parts. If not, how did God create the first non-human live cells?

- Where are the physical remmants (not the consequences or products) of God's breath. Show us.

- Why does God need to breathe? Please don't tell me to create Man, becuase that means mortals are required to create the need for God's breath!

Besides, Ea killed Kingu for the blood to be used in the Creation of Man, long before Yahweh was a member of the Council of the Gods. - The Enuma Elish Tablet VI

If Man was created from Ea's blood cells, it still leaves unanswered,

-How were Ea's blood cells created? By Marduk? If so, how?
Posted by Oliver, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 12:40:54 PM
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gee..from ya suss/link..quote<<..Evolution,..the overarching...concept...>>lol..thus..not science...lol

LOL<<..in fact>...lol..<<embraces..a plurality of theories and hypotheses....>>>lol

MORE..lol..<<..evolution roughly parceled..between the terms.."microevolution"..>>>lol..evolution/..of species..WITHIN GENUS

<<and.."macroevolution">>...for which..they..only have..micro-evoluions...lol..as their...lol..PROOF..lol

please..reveal..A SINGLE EVOLUTION..OF GENUS...EVER
...there is not one..!*!

i rebutted fully..this link..ages ago...but..as you quote it

i..quote..its content..back at you...lol

<<This article..is specifically intended for those..who are scientifically minded..>>.rules you lot out..lol

<<..that macroevolutionary theory..explains little,..>>>lol

MAC/evo/theory..<<makes few..or no testable predictions,>>lol<<..is un-falsifiable,..or..has not been..scientifically demonstrated.>>lol..egsactly

SO THINK/..then define specificlly
...what specificlly is your proof...
line by line..under 350 words...lol

narrow..your speculation..of...lol..evidence..down

you chose ..the next spear..that..im spearing into ya..theory

NAME>>which one...you/think..cannot be rebutted...lol

from ya link
<<<Universal common descent,..is the hypothesis>>>..get it

<<gradualness..is not a mechanism of evolutionary change,..it imposes severe constraints..on possible macroevolutionary events>>>..lol

<<whether microevolutionary theories..are sufficient..to account for macroevolutionary adaptations..is a question that is left open.>>>lol..

..cause it cant be validated...by species evolution..in genus..lol

lol..<<Therefore,..the evidence..for common descent discussed here..is independent of specific gradualistic explanatory mechanisms.>>>lol..

must be why the page hasnt rebutted anything..nor proved anything..lol

<<None of the dozens of predictions..directly address...how macroevolution has occurred,>>>lol

<<None of the evidence recounted here assumes..that natural selection is valid.>>..lol

<<None of the evidence..assumes..that natural/selection..is sufficient..for generating adaptations..or..the explain..the differences..between species and other taxa.>>>lol

loll..or this..lol..<<Theories..are not judged..simply by their logical compatibility...with the available data..>>>lol.../peers?..lol

<<No alternate explanations..>>..lol..<<compete scientifically..with common descent>>..lol..the article..said a lot of nuthin..answers nothing

GET SPECIFIC...
VALIDATE A SINGLE EVIDENCE..
OF NEW GENUS FROM any OTHER/GENUS

<<How did God's breath..create the first cell?>>lol..it made it live/logic/light/life....

what he made live...you might name..someday...as soon as science declares..this first living..lol..i might explain..it to you then

<<in a sense,..all life is..created in god's image..or at least God's constituent parts.>>>..correct

<<If not,>>..it is..<<..how did God..create the first non-human live cells?>>>seek the light god luke..get..on ya knees..and ask him

<<Where..are the physical remmants..(not the consequences..or products)..of God's breath..>>.life mate...ya..live it

<<Show us>>..look at your hand..or better look into a mirror..see that it's all..so perfect...for doing anything..we chose to do...it/them

if it dont..god...evolves it...
how..we can speculate..
till the athiests..come home...lol..to god...

but only god knows..how..
for now
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 1:45:30 PM
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