Where have I claimed faithlessness based on scientific fact OUG? WHERE? I have explicitly said plenty of times that it is YOU claiming that of atheists.

I do not have faith as there is NO EVIDENCE for the claims people like you are making, and for the hypocrisy people like yourself maintain by putting your belief on a pedestal of assumed truth, while throwing stones at human knowledge in the form of science as your claims are threatened by it.

Atheism has been around before the concept of evolution, and is not reliant on it at all! I have pointed out that even if evolution is true, it does not justify a god. I have pointed out it is only religious people that claim what you are claiming, because they are obviously threatened by scientific discovery.

Your attacks on the growth of human knowledge is because you feel threatened by it. You focus so hard on evolution, yet your hypocrisy lies in the fact that the same claims you are making of evolution, you are not applying to your OWN CLAIMS.

And you cannot see this hypocrisy. You are blind to the fact that you have no evidence, flounder around trying to prove something is false that only really matters to you because it threatens your claims without evidence.

suss quote<<..faithlessness based on scientific fact..I have explicitly said plenty of times..that it is YOU claiming that of atheists>>

no..im claiming..they/..dont have a clue...nor/..the science.

<<I do not have faith..as there is NO EVIDENCE..for the claims people like you are making>>>...no you claim the science...yet cant present any science fact...so simply redirect..my words..to twist their clear meaning

<<the hypocrisy people..like yourself maintain.by putting your belief on a pedestal..of assumed truth,>>>im asking you for your proof



<<Atheism has been around..before the concept/of evolution>>>so what?

this is about the science...not sustaining the evolution theory

<<they are obviously..threatened..by scientific discovery>>not in the least...its clear if the evidence for genus evolving into other genus..it would have been found..by now...lol..it hasnt

<<the growth of human knowledge>>>lol..what knowledge...that dosnt fit the facts...the facts are no genus evolved ever

life/from life

<<you are not applying..to your OWN CLAIMS>>
i claim you got nuthing...not belief...not faith..not science.

<<You are blind to the fact..that you have no evidence,>>>i have heaps of evidence...just like you claim plenty of science...but your not presenting science...only distraction/redirection

you flounder around trying to prove something is false...simply because..you refuse to see the proof i lay before you

who knows..why you protest/so much..that the only thing/that..really matters to you..is me giving proof to you/for som,ething..you claim dont egsist...you claim this...because it threatens you personally

your claims are/..without evidence
please present your science

OUG evolution is not about where life comes from, it's about how life changes/evolves.

You may be saying what the discussions about, but you have been making claims with no evidence whatsoever. You have avoided answering continually.

I have put forward heaps of evidence, you don't accept any of it. You have put forward no evidence, so your claims are nothing but hot air.

SUSS/quote..is not about where life comes from,..it's about how life changes/evolves.>>>oh...lol...like GLOBAL warning/clim-mate..change...lol

red link

<<You may be saying..what the discussions about,>>>yes i am...no kigfht about it...i am

<<but you have been making claims with no evidence whatsoever..You have avoided answering continually.>>

my reply

I have put forward heaps of evidence,..you don't accept any of it.

You have put forward no evidence, so your claims are nothing but hot air.

you want proof?

how about proof of the scam/lol..science of...lol..global warning

science BUSTED...fudging the facts...upon the ignorant
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3247&page=0

What does bother me..is indications that some scientists/may have fudged their data.

It is precisely..because I think the integrity of the scientific enterprise is so important..that I would like to see these allegations investigated...

in an OPEN AND TRANSPARENT MANNER.

Here is how the NY Times covered the story.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?_r=1&ref=science

Quote:

"In a 1999 e-mail exchange..about charts showing climate patterns/over the last two millenniums,.

Phil Jones,...said he had used a “trick” employed by another scientist, Michael Mann,..to “hide the decline”..in temperatures.

"Dr. Mann ... confirmed in an interview..that the e-mail message was real.

He said the choice of words by his colleague..was poor but noted that scientists...often used the word “trick”//

to refer to a good way..to solve a problem,

“and not something secret.”

This is ingenuous..to say the least.

Good scientists do not normally/use "tricks" to hide something.>>

yeah right...lol



<<To repeat,..it is the INDICATIONS of FUDGING,
not the atmospherics,/science...that concern me.

So far I have not come across..any rebuttal or explanation from Phil Jones,..CRU head.

MY dear bother/suss

Regardless of your opinion..of me personally

I would have thought that you,..of all posters here,..would appreciate..the importance of maintaining/testing/validating/..the integrity of science.

Indications of data fudging..on important matters..need to be taken seriously...and you can hardly deny the indications are there.

and that there is..not one evidence of genus mutaing..out of genus..nor of global warming...live with it..special intrests have subverted the sciences

I do not deny that particular situation needs to be taken seriously OUG, however to brand all scientists the world over, from all scientific academies and global scientific consensus on the topic of evolution based on that, have some sort of massive conspiracy going, is a joke.

As I have repeated over and over, show us the evidence for your claims, rather than just your smear campaign of scientific process. I have asked for this repetitively, yet you avoid it. You are throwing stones at something claiming it is not enough evidence, while you have NONE.

Show us evidence for what you are claiming.

Gee suss & OUG, why don't you two go & get a room together & save us all from your pathetic love affair.