Pig Farmer


The email you speak of was posted by one of our ladies was only one! of many received.

I have apoligised that your details came up and spoken with the lady . What else can I do.
My knee jerk actions as you call it and my company in conjunction with RSPCAQLD and AFIC have started to address and support Free Range farmers.

You have come along only since this forum. Some of the bigger boys play hard ball , yeh you get that.

I am sure you could do a very good job supporting Free Range Farmers.
What does concern me however are your promises to me that you certainly wont! support! this Free Range Farmer or that one that you know and have had some sort of fall out with.

We cant CANT Pick and Choose and we WONT.
Every Free Range Farmer Will be the same.

We would never put you up on our Support Free Range Farmers web page without your! consent.

At no time have I said the authoritys will not meet with us.

Quite the opposite. I told you we had a letter From John Howard and The Federal Minister for Ag basically saying the poroposal was "interesting in its consept and more details please.

Also the interest of the Premier of QLD and held meetings.

Its a big job and I am not ashamed to say we need others involved.

Youput something together for Free Range pig Farming if you like and send it off to the Ministers office like we have.

Just remember however to open more Free Range pig farms takes money.

The Farmers cant afford it and The Government certainly wont pay.

So despite your belief we are doing nothing! when you are ready please email my office for a list of overseas companies that are interested to buy direct from Free Range Farmers AND put in some funds to expand them.

There are no charges for these services to any farmers.

I hope in some way that helps down the track

I had waited for you to do the right thing and have that post removed. You haven't, so I can only assume you use people to further your own agenda.

You dont get it wendy, farms are also family homes. No one is going to go into a partnership with strangers from overseas and risk that. So now you are saying you have buyers interested in free range pork? crap! [Deleted] You are so out of touch with what is happening in free range farming.

What a lame excuse for posting my private email 'someone else did it, it wasnt me' it had your name on it, you are responsible. You cannot be trusted. You just thought I wouldnt see it. You get more scary all the time. Its not the first time you have said you didnt write the post when called on it. How unprofessional! You are are danger to our business and I would thank you to leave promoting free range to the professionals. (see post on other thread)

Celivia, “Oh ok Alchemist, I got that wrong for jumping to the conclusion that you're an atheist (you just didn't sound like you believed in any God).”

I don't believe in any god, atheists believe in nothing. I believe in reality and the change associated with it, plus equality of life, not abuse and enslavement. You don't need a god to believe that, just observation and a brain.

In this country, it takes more than an acre to keep a food animal per year, according to the terrain. That one animal will feed a family of 4 for 3 months, plus you have to grow other food. So each year you need at least 10 animals at different stages of growth to support the family, requiring more than 20 acres per family for meat. You can grow all your food for 4 on less than half an acre per year, you can crop as well. Animals, 20acres 4 people. Grown food, 20 acres 120 people, which is logical. Or feed lot them and use more land to provide food for them. Sounds like lose lose to me, typically unevolved thinking.

Because the areas you intent exporting to are barren or have failing environments and because Australia is barren and has failing grazing land, wouldn't it make more sense to utilise food only taking up a small amount of land, than increasing the amount of environmental destruction by providing food that's taxing the land.

Nah this is all about Wendy's religion and money. All ready the dissent is intruding as the monotheists try to take over and push their agenda. You have to be right don't you Wendy, how about providing some verifiable evidence for all you claim. But being ethical and caring isn't a part of your religious economic agenda is it.

The church will become involved, for power and money, No other reason, everything they do is designed for money and power, not the welfare of animals or humans for that matter. You may find the churches have money invested in the present system already.

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Cilivia I promise to post the list of Churches[that I know of] who have become involved in Animal Welfare.
Yabby I suppose you have a point about churches being involved politically In abortion.

Yeh I could deal with that to be honest if thats what it would take to trade off.
After all you do have a political if not moral point to make I guess.


Alchemist My political Church Agenda? Ah.

I dont have a relgious agenda . I would have thought that much was clear. Interesting point you raise about Churches. Apart from Land and companies I dont think we will get that lucky. Still an X priest would know more than me. Thanks for the tip.
Pig Farmer.
I do wish you would use your name. I seem to recall Yabby saying the pork board were calling for Advisors. There you go that should be right up your alley. Good Luck

As you asked so nicely for the reply to your email from Animals Australia to be taken off the forum I will see what I can Do.

Just so long as this time you have madeup your mind because when I called you after your comment you said No its fine.

If you read your posts back clearly you have no problem with it until you became angry because you thought I was ignoring your posts. I think its fantasic that Voiceless are now supporting Free Range. Slowly, very slowly groups are starting to realise its not enough. They are starting to see that yes Free Range is The Way To Go. In answer to you question yes we do have overseas companies wanting Free Range Products.

Yabby could you possibly post that article requesting advisers for the pork board if you still have it please?

Wendy, how did you get in contact with me? Thru the links to my websites posted on this forum. is there anyone who doesnt know that?

You have been exposed as a liar. I joined this forum after discovering your betrayal to find out exactly what your organisation (loose term) was about and what you stood for. Its about wendy, wendy and then more of wendy. Objectives - discredit all other animal welfare groups who are actually doing good work.

How does that saying go ...you can catch more flies with honey ...

Yabby,

Re: your last post (16th September).
I think that you are right. This has always been my view as well- until recently.
I think that lately, in the heat of my frustration and concern about animal cruelty, I twisted my reasoning around and I admit this was mostly to suit my agenda.

I am feeling all untwisted again- I too am totally against churches getting involved in politics otherwise, and it would indeed be inconsistent to make an exception for animal welfare, however urgent this issue is.

So my view is that I am concerned that church leaders generally do not preach to their members about animal cruelty and I do criticise them for this, but I am refraining from asking them to become politically involved.

Phew, feeling much better now- I struggled a lot with my own twisted reasoning ;)

This means that I am still supporting contacting church leaders to ask them to pay some attention to the issues of animal cruelty, because they generally (with some exceptions) HAVE turned their backs on animal cruelty, but I’m not supporting contacting church leaders to pressure them into becoming politically involved.
Thanks Yabby, you were clear in your explanation and have helped me sort this out!

Now a genreal request.
Not wanting to be nasty, but because this thread is so long already, I am asking everyone to stick as much to the original topic as possible- if there are general issues about animal welfare then there is still Scout’s Animal Welfare thread.

New people reading this thread will be totally confused if the threads are mixed up- and I think it also may lead to communication problems- when one reads only one of the animal threads and not the other one won’t know what we’re talking about.

I do understand that it is tempting to take your discussions here when you’ve run out of postings on the Animal Welfare thread- but could you all please, pretty please try? I am sometimes guilty of doing this myself too, so I'm also speaking to myself!
Many thanks!