Pigfarmer(sept 18th) I think it is very strong language indeed to brand someone a liar..How dare you speak to someone like that..

Language such as that is slanderous and totally ungentlemen like..
One of the truky genuine person on here is Wendy..

You ought to be ashamed.

Better get back to your starving pigs..you spend so much time on here fighting with ladies ill bet they could do with a bit of grub by now..ladies always win in the end you know.:)

Ozgirl - what a silly little girl you are.

Ladies will always win? Whatever does that mean?

Ozgirl and Pigfarmer, can we keep the level of anger down a bit?

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Well I think the Church Leaders have a duty of care to all living creatures man women animals cows dogs cats birds whatever. We are all part of this earth . Why should they comment on everything other than animal welfare. I dont want to provoke Yabby either but I am not tippy toeing around him. Hes shown that he is at least consist in his thoughts of towards animal cruelty.["whats 38 thousand dead sheep from stress on boats' For eg
If the whole of Australia had every telephone line jammed for weeks
over that ship, but nt one Church spoke out well?
I now know that
was just one of the many that was actually reported on umm.
What is the reason for such silence when they speak out about everything else.
I dont agree with the line its not their business. Its everybodys responsibility from Christians to Muslims to whatever.

huh.
What a cop out. Isnt it because they dont want to go against the grain of the Government.
Whats the problem with standing up for animals if you are a church Leader is the question.

They just cant ignore the fact that cruelty to animals exists....
when we read and hear about it all the time..
Whats their problem?

Cilivia

I know this is your forum but I cant just agree with you because of that. What do you mean Church leaders should do nothing but preach, pray
You headed this forum yourself.
Church Leaders Where are ewes.? I think they need to stop being such hypocrites. You say preach pray. I think the animals might prefer we act. As for peoples reputations in tact I think their lack of committment to Animal Welfare is a disgrace.

RSPCA President Dr Hugh Wirths addressed a national press conference only a few weeks ago about this issue. I think it was posted.
I have been asked to take over the listing of the few good Churches that was promised to you.
I will try to get it up in the next few weeks.
I have already started to contact some of the leaders and asked them for a letter to go onto this forum along with why they are the few speaking out.

I am more than happy to get as much of the Free Range web page completed and ask those Churches To preach that to their flock as well.
I think this is a good forum and the topic has to be clearly aired.

Churches are up to their necks in politics. George Bush wins his elections on them and John Howard is very aware of the Church vote. So why not include animal welfare. Even if Churches were not already involved they still as people and leaders have a darn right to speak out.
Taryn congratulations. May I say that I will do my best to use the information I have to educate the Churches to their responsibilities.
I do not wish my integrity challenged and your correct as to what you said.

Myself I am very happy to contiune to do as much as I can to make people think about why the churches are so silent regarding the barbaric treament of animals on both live exports and intensive farming.

church Leaders Why So Silent about Animal Cruelty Have have plenty to say about everything else,