Ozgirl

Sorry sorry but I had three computers go down and then read Yabbys post.
It would be great to have you ion board and anybody else who is intereted. Mike i joined your group and wont know if I have been excepted until the office is running computer wise Again. I hope so because you have common sense. Ozgirl I may as well tell you about our domestic voilence programe that runs through the QLD RSPCA as well[remind me] I think it will interest you with your uni study.
Fopr the reast of thios post I would like to talk about the people on the boards of our different animal welfare advisers.
Far too masny of these have huge conflicts of intersts like Amandas pigs and many live expoters.
clearly we must balance this a bit.
Then in the left corner we have the exreme lot that tell others not to eat meat so that works against the animals too.

It all started years ago on a political handskake to hold the first animal welfare enquiry.
it was granted but ONLY if it was put forward from a vegatarian point of view.
Hello is anybody home?

Clearly a comfortable postion to raise money from vegans and veg people withoutv ruffling feathers.

FUND RAISERS.

So the balance thst has been missing from mainstream is clear.

We look forward to supporting free range farmers and opening many more free range farms.

The middle East DONT need our tax money I can tell you that much. Its just the same old same old. The AWB at least tried to keep their interests in live exports quite.

Not this lot. THEY are funding it with YOUR tax payers funds. Then telling good farmers like the free ranger and pig farmer you have no skills to market.

Thanks Also To All those church people who offered to take an interest in Cruelty to Animals.
Note

For those who question the knowledge, sophistication and skills of people like Pigfarmer and Freeranger, I suggest you simply check out their websites:

http://www.freerangepork.com.au/

http://www.freeranger.com.au/

While the OLO christians remain disinterested, as Wendy says there are church communities who do become involved in animal welfare. At the Lort Smith animal refuge and hospital a chaplain, Barbara Allen has been appointed to counsel people who have lost a dearly beloved pet. While this is support at a domestic level, I am sure there are many other church groups doing their best.

I am looking forward to Wendy's list of church groups as this is evidence that St Francis of Assisi has not been forgotten.

Wendy, your last post was frankly a heap of mumbo jumbo, I certainly could make no sense of it. Perhaps the philosophy argument about
your uterus, went clean over your head. Philosophy and principles matter, for some of us anyway.

A huge amount of good is being done by MLA vets in the Middle East,
read the vet reports from there. Often its not even funding, but
advise on building plants, feelots etc. The latest ones even have
chilled water laid on for the sheep!

As Cameron reported on his trip to Jordan, even there in the abattoir, stun guns were being used. Aussie influence matters, funded by farmers of course! No animal welfare groups involved, they are sitting in their armchairs, fooling around on the internet.

Wendy, with all your massive claims, you go and play around there
in Queensland a bit, as you told me that you were going to. When
you have some runs on the board, lets talk about it. Action speaks
far louder then words, so far all you have is claims.

Meantime leave WA and its farmers alone, or I will keep pointing out
the flaws in your arguments. Once again in this week's Farm Weekly,
orders for lamb and mutton being knocked back from WA, no workers and
they can't bring in more 457 workers right now, so orders are being
lost. Thank Allah for the live sheep trade! :) Its far better then
having them starve in paddocks, as you have no solutions for us it seems, just lots of talk.

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Celivia..hi there...so you thought youd just pop your head in randomly to the Steve Irwin forum and in your inimatable style toss in a bit of self rightous mumbo jumbo about which you knew nothing...condescending and patronising crap.

How dare you..There have been many times on this thread that I felt Id like to take a pop at you too...but in the interest of fairness and civility I left it alone..

From what I see of you so far Cel..you strike me as a bit of a controlling type and that is not very seemly for a lady.

You said to me on here I think 'lets not make personal' when in actual fact it was you then and also now..

You are making it personal against me...but hey..I can speak up and always do.
You thought if you took a pot shot at me on a forum totally unrelated to the animal threads that no one else would know?That youd get away with it?
This I do know if it were Wendy or Scout in the other forum you would have said not a word...
Its you who makes it personal...

Looks like I've run out of posts on the AW thread, but as everyone seems to be posting on both, I shall simply continue here :)

The thought of a couple of weeks on one of the boats, off to the Middle East, is not a bad one. Cameron Morse clearly learnt lots,
it sounds like a good idea to take along some books to read, of which I have many, waiting for time.

I could even give an accurate, unbiased report on conditions, but of course for the true believers, never let facts like that interfere with the story, as Cameron Morse showed us.

Wendy, if a young and attractive vet was onboard, I would probably give her the schmalz that so many females seem to want and then seduce her :) Females being slaves to their emotions is fairly common, just note the Mills and Boon sales etc.

Between the lines, I think that your real problem is your fear of death. Get used to it, no matter which species, we all get recycled.

When Wendy dies, a few tears will be shed, but the worms will devour her carcass, bit by bit, meat mincer or not. Ok so they decide to burn her and spread the ashes off the gold coast, onto
the blue water, along with some flowers and tears. All very sweet.

But reality of course will prevail! Those ashes will be gobbled up by algae or other lifeforms, which will be gobbled up by fish, which will likely be caught by some Queensland seafood export company and
perhaps exported to the Middle East. Wendy's remains could well
land up in the belly of some big fat Arab in Mecca!

Anything to cheer up your girls :)

Well Yabby you do know you have a date with a boat load of sheep i hope?

Hope all your shots are up to date..
Im sure you would make the most of any journey you undertook yabby:)
and quite frankly I never saw you as the secucing type...

But then you might look like Leonardo Decaprio for all I know..

Have a safe journey and come back safe...in time for your next post at least..
Your thread is very topical..well done