I think jewely you know I am a union official.
You may not know my union supports white ribbon day, this year a life member ex boss gave the most touching address on bashing women I have ever heard.
If highlighted his own mothers pain, I remain proud to be against all forms of hatred and racism.
In truth I am willing to bet you, of all posters in this thread, know some women act as this girl did.
That she at that time may have told you and me to go away if we butted in.
be honest do you know anyone like that?
Jewely care to tell me what kiwis say about whites in the pub?
Or what some others say to our face?
your view of racism seems one sided my construction worker members have come a long way in my lifetime, and from most countrys of the world.
Now jewely I am uncle too children from mixed couples and true Aussies maybe you should keep away from bikers, if thats how they talk.
What do you call us white trash in private?
regards jewely but you can do better than that

I did Belly – know about the union stuff, read a thread about you and a mention of a shirt you had. Then you had a big fight with a whole organization that was really confusing as different people logging in under same tag. Bored housewife that I am these days I have read lots of really old stuff. I think you won that one though or came off looking better.

I didn’t know what white ribbon day was.

Belly the only chick (and she was way young) I ever managed to get out was one I deliberately picked a fight with so I could punch her in the face and get her kicked out – she probably still hates me. The others, acted like I was jealous.

Umm.. Kiwis are white, you mean jokes about white Aussies? Nup honestly haven’t heard one but I can quote an old Kiwi PM if ya want…

Kiwis that move to Australia improve the IQ of both countries.

My horrible brother replied with it when I wrote and told him I was moving to Oz.

The day I found out I was pregnant with my first child I never talked to another biker again. And stopped chatting to the mongrel mob outside the courthouse when I wandered by too. Oh and never spoke to any old flate mates again either.

I became respectable in a heartbeat, just wasn’t my heartbeat.

I live in Gorokan I am white trash! [smile]

Ansi,
Clearly you have problems with the concept of 'power imbalances' that are can be caused by group dynamics.i.e. the pressure to conform to the will of those in power. And the the concept of the obligation for the strong to look after the weak. So be it.

Contrary to some opinions I'm not intending to preach no moralize only bring into clear focus what mainstream psychiatrists, psychologists, anthropologists, sociologists say about issue like these. And my experience as a crisis counselor. As I'm not emotionally involve here therefore I set no goals so if the point I raise don't change committed mind it doesn't matter this is just a conversation anyway.

Dominance is all about power or else why would so many on this site resort to aggression (abuse etc). It doesn't prove a damn thing worth proving.

You have told me your opinion I've told you mine What's left?
Thanks for your comments .

“Dominance is all about power or else why would so many on this site resort to aggression (abuse etc). It doesn't prove a damn thing worth proving.”

It’s a good one aye cause in no way is power all about using aggression to establish dominance.

But I don’t know everyone well enough to have worked out their tone or implied aggression. It’s that thing like when you imagine everyone naked in the audience to settle nerves.

I am convinced Belly looks like a big Care Bear and Col is a My Little Pony with a rainbow on his butt.

You're Liam Neilson when he was the dude in the movie "Nell".

Foxy and Yabby - well they ruined it for me by planting an image already.

Jewely

Re your weaker sex..."Weaker sex" is a sometimes convenient mytho I don't agree with that I said under a lot of circumstances women are the lesser powerful gender. that mean a young woman can feel intimidated in a room full of beefy footyboys or simply grumpy old men.
i.e. I can get more from retailers than my wife particularly against men.
All I was trying to say was that IMO we all are morally obliged to consider/protect the more vulnerable in a case like this young woman.
It would be exactly the same argument as it was with the Mormon young man and the pack of girl bikies (as in gang) in England.

His power was denied and the case of pack rape was rightly (IMO) upheld.

It is currently held that in these cases sex as in intercourse is not the driving force it is a combination of power over the less powerful and mob mentality. The crime is one of violence, deprivation of liberty etc. in there somewhere there is a genetic influence. but this in no way exonerates or mitigates out of the generally viewed unacceptable behaviour.
There are a truck load of other issues bound up in it too.

Ansi.
Simple minds need simple solutions unfortunately life's issues generally don't fit that mold.
To me the interest IS the complexity. No one is ever truly right but the value of a life is in the trying.(IMO)

jewely your posts make me grin, I like to grin, thanks.
I live about 230 klm north of you but once not far away.
Never will I execpt we are more racist than anyone, I have many people from many countrys as mates and members.
You are nearly right in your disciption of me, I would rather help than hinder, give than take.
And boy have I been taken, another story.
Not big now,down from 132lkg to 104 and continues.
I see some truth in examinators last few posts, group sex. rough group sex can be about power.
Can be as bad as my discription of rape.
But that power is often the the hands of the female, not the men.
We do ourselves no favors pretending such women do not exist.
That some women, age 19 or 50, ask for such sex.
Even jewely so they can say they layed their friends husband.
I remind you of that western suburbs girl who insisted boys be locked in the car with her until the deed was done.
Wonder if they ever complained?
Well at the time but after?
sex is not a dirty thing but it brings as much trouble as joy to some of us.