It's extortion Belly.

She's being prosecuted, as any extortionist should.

The players are going to have to be even more careful
about their bonking behaviours aren't they; there are
always opportunistic people around. Players could
get themselves into quite a pickle.

What a note of Wowserish glee there, pynchme. You sound distinctly to approve of the possibility of footballers being blackmailed because they slept with someone.

pynchme:"theway you devalue work that is traditionally occupied mostly by females is a complete bloody disgrace."

If your daughter arrived home with her new boyfriend, the garbo, would you be ecstatic with her choice of a bloke in such a steady job?

If the women who dominate those fields expect me to pay them respect, they have to earn it. Can you point to any aspect of Australian life that is demonstrably better thanks to the proliferation of "counsellors" (mostly women)? Would acute-care nursing be worse if changing a bedpan was regarded as a trade skill instead of a professional qualification?

Are you starting to grasp my point yet? The thing I'm denigratory about is the stupid inflation of what are basically short-course subjects into degrees, usually by including such non-topics as "gender studies". That might mean the practitioners can ask for more money, but it doesn't mean they're more skilful.

When it comes to those on the lower socio-economic rungs of life's ladder, the men do the dirty work while the women tend to gravitate to "social" jobs, like process work, supermarkets, low-level office work, where there are lots of other women around to chat with. At the same time, men are driving trucks, digging ditches, cleaning dirty sewers, falling off high-rise window-cleaning gantries, getting shot at in foreign lands and the list goes on. Can you tell me the last time a woman was killed in a job-related incident?

Antiseptic: Acute care nursing is more than changing bedpans and the world is a much better place with counselors in it - varying quality noted.

It doesn't matter to me if one of my girls marries a garbo - because each of them is a capable earner in her own right. The garbo is fine as long as he is a good mate who loves my daughter and any children they have. Similarly, my son prefers to date people who are self-reliant. He doesn't need a handmaiden or someone helpless, dumb or dependant in order to feel manly.

- and don't trot out that tired old rubbish about having to "earn" respect. Who the hell cares what your standard for obtaining respect is?

From my point of view, every person is entitled to respect - as a human being and as a citizen. Some just tend to not attract admiration - but nobody entirely loses my respect. I don't confer respect on anyone for jumping through hoops; that whole notion leads to manipulative people (like yourself) raising or lowering the hoops to suit their purposes. Respect is a given.

- and while you're reserving great sympathy for the men who do humble, often dirty work, you think that changing bedpans is not the same? Or that caring bedside for an elderly, incontinent spouse or relative around the clock is not heavy and tiring work ? This is not a competition.

The difference is that whereas I can appreciate the work done by whom ever does it; you feel obliged to sneer at work that has traditionally or mostly been done by women.

Btw: I could also refer you to endless examples of men actively campaigning to keep women out of unpleasant or dangerous work. If men feel dismay at (supposedly) doing all the dirty work, as you claim, then there's no reason to campaign to keep women from sharing the load.

For goodness sakes try to get with the times.

*If men feel dismay at (supposedly) doing all the dirty work, as you claim, then there's no reason to campaign to keep women from sharing the load.*

I dunno about dismay Pymchme, fact is that if the guys did not do
the real work, nobody would. I've yet to see too many women crawling
under cars, fitting a new exaust system, or up in the middle of the
night, fixing electricity lines when they fail. Around here, if
there is a bush fire, the girls run for cover and go and make cups
of tea in town, whilst the blokes put it out. Yes there are
exceptions, but not too many.

Girls like "administration", preferably without too much pressure,
as their fingernails arn't damaged and they dont' get dirty.

Thats just how it is.

Yabby: <"Around here, if there is a bush fire, the girls run for cover and go and make cups of tea in town, whilst the blokes put it out. ">

Yabby, do you think that if there were no men around, that women would just be like timid rabbits and burn? Isn't "making cups of tea in town" just where you want them to be, while you all go off and do heroic work?

This is what happened during nd after WW2 isn't it. When there were no men to do it; women had to and they did a good job.

I think more men will do the things for which their physical strength equips them - people will market whatever attributes they have to earn a wage.

However, some women can do the jobs and want to/ some men can do admin and want to. Women don't block you all from applying for any damned job your heart and inclination desires.

If women 'naturally' can't do heroic work etc; why have there been so many formal protests; laws and all, to keep women out of so many fields and jobs?

Btw: not all jobs require physical prowess. In the 70s the banks wouldn't allow a woman to take up a position as branch accountant or manager. What's natural about that?

pynchme:"This is not a competition. "

Quite right - men are not allowed to compete with women who have a "right" to "do what they want", while men can do what they're told. That is the message in all of your writings. Men who don't are "a disgrace to manhood", "vindictive", "violent".

Grow up, girl, Stand on your own feet instead of expecting a man to give you his seat. Open your own doors - don't expect men to provide you with a free ride as you are getting now. it's in your own interest, because if you don't, there will be a backlash against the dishonesty and the abuse that is heaped on men by women claiming to represent women and I suspect that quite a few women won't be sorry about that.

The pomeranians of this world might find they have fewer legs to hump and crotches to sniff, but that's hardly something to be bothered by.