G'day Jewely:

Yes I agree that many of the behaviours claimed to be problematic are just ordinary childhood behaviour.

Re: male victims:

http://www.casalc.com.au/menspage.htmlhttp://www.secasa.com.au/index.php/survivors/10/207

The only problem with the following is that at one point he uses Kinsey as one of the references. Apart from that what he is saying is worth reading:

http://www.vicbar.com.au/webdata/VicBarNewsFiles/What%E2%80%99s%20Good%20for%20the%20Goose.pdf

Information on Kinsey's influence on justice issues in the US (and anywhere else that points to any issue in the US as a precedent for decision making): It's heavy reading but most interesting:

http://www.drjudithreisman.org/archives/fbi.pdf

Yesterday I spoke with a fun member.
She makes me laugh, has guts and attitude, she would rather be a bloke.
I have to swear when taking to her, it would offend her if I did not.
She, well she has,nt but lets say instead she has guts , she is good value.
Women come in all shapes and sizes, try getting involved in her sex life!
The idea that defending females no matter what is idiotic, to even think a woman must act in ways she does not wish are stupid.
I refuse to live in a world that does not exist.
Yes girls have group sex, yes ask for hunt for and get group sex.
trying to blame only men for that is laughable.
Look at those 11 men, can anyone say what one is evil? by the income they would be middle class of working class background.
Try to tell me they are different from any bloke on the street.
We are talking about human nature not sexist bias, in matters of sex each of us should understand the only rules are for some there are no rules.

Belly professional footballers get paid a lot more at an early age than most people get at any stage of their working lives. They live in the spotlight (with it's high's and lows). In a lot of ways their lives are very different to those of "ordinary blokes".

In the case in point at least one was cheating on a partner, an activity worthy of contempt (but not dismissal from a different job years later). It appears that most involved crept into a room where others were engaged in sexual activity uninvited, also sleezy and an choice which would seem to break some laws regarding voyerism (but apparently did not).

This is not about the men being decent or ordinary, it's about others butting out of what appears to have been a consentual sexual activity between adults. It's about not surrendering control over our lives to those who think that they know what's best for us. It's about men and women both being responsible for their choices and not accepting that women are somehow less capable of making choices for themselves (both good and bad).

R0bert

J,

I would love to be able to control what my daughter does.

At the moment I would particularily like to legislate against long haired pretentious gits.

Sigh!

SM:”I would love to be able to control what my daughter does. “

I can’t pinpoint when I lost the control – you?

I do know mine has been warned about groups of males and the influence of alcohol, no idea if I was heard or not.

SM:”At the moment I would particularly like to legislate against long haired pretentious gits.”

You have my vote, my support, and my undying loyalty.

REMOVE THE PROFANITY?

its a shame many of you gave up reading belly

here is a real belly laugh..quote<<Look at those 11 men, can anyone say what one is evil?>>..lol thats only the intro..which one...lol[a lawyer joke]...but wait therre is more..wait for it..

<<..by the income they would be middle class of working class background.>>>...he he [but wait it gets better

<<Try to tell me they are different from any bloke on the street.>>...lol....well they were em mass banking their group spoofs.in the middle of the night[in an others room ...watching the private act of their conjopined god-head's..[much like peeping toms..but acting in company..under cover of darkness...in law thats generally agrivating cir-cum-stance

<<We are talking about human nature not sexist bias,>>.baser/human group nature..[pack/herd..animalistic;..sic]..boys with their toys..acting out baser human animalisatic depravity..banking in company

<<..''in matters of sex..each of us should understand the only rules are..for some..there are no rules'...>>

..come come..come on belly your not really trying..come,come..come on mate..you cant be serioass..were not talking here about a com-edddy spoof..on the footy show here...

its a group spoof...now watch some tough guys..cry to grayman and get this reasonable comment deleted..

boy those tough guys sure cant take a rap on the knuckles..about them raping their knuckles..chuckles..in words...were talking about virtual rape..diverted into hand singals..and the best you tough guys can rebutt..is censure of those revealing the homo-erotic/bloke/joke