Belly/R0bert
Ain't that the truth but be careful that you're addressing the right issues.

I've unfortunately been to too many sales conferences only to find the behaviour of a large proportion of the attendees, Married, Single, Male, Female, young, older, it made little difference. Suffice it to say had I had a camera and the inclination I would have become rich(blackmail)or dead.
At one a middle aged manager organised his team to throw a visiting gay manager into the pool from a the first floor.
One female married manager took a different toy boy salesman to the bed each night.
Several relationships were broken and a few started but after weeks they failed badly. As did some futures.

The one common factor with the above and the maturity arrested footyboys was the nature of the participants jobs.

I have noticed that these problems seem to occur amongst those who work under extremely high pressure to continually perform. These sorts of jobs tend to attract a distinct type of person (m/f) as a consequence in a drinking/drug hot house social environment group dynamics are at their extreme. Since then I am never surprised by what 'seeming out of character' asinine, antisocial behaviour these types of people got/get up to.

NB I said most. Lots scurry back to their rooms, rang home and then went to sleep.
I have never felt comfortable with this type of person in groups.

As I've said before this footyboy incident has little to do with m/f in essence it comprises of a number of issues.
The type of individual involved. The need to be seen to and be a performer
The abuse of power. Not recognising that in the circumstances the female was under terrible pressure to acquiess to the will of the group
group dynamics one leads the rest follows
and individual lack of responsibility in the males to not stand up and walk away rather than the pack feeding frenzy.
Come on boy would You have enjoy the sex?
Been proud of yourself later?

“Jewely thanks for the response. Have I misunderstood you?”

Hey R0bert - I go back and read some of my posts and don’t understand them.

“I've been pondering your comments about men in groups and agree that some seem to exhibit the worst traits. I've never been part of groups like that…(word limit and all) “

Well I went from leather clad bikers to running a BBS and hanging out with geeks. Much preferred the latter and even married one (of course I still don’t understand a word he says).

“If you get to a point in life where you can get out more have a look around at some of the special interest groups (family orientated 4WD clubs, bushwalking clubs, astronomy societies, assorted nature loving groups etc)."

I’ve spent the last 18 years changing nappies, I don’t think I’m ready for grownups.

Belly:“Without her? some blokes would have died a virgin!”

Bless her.

Now imagine her in a club pad, not boys, men in their 30’s and 40’s. She is flirting and being stupid acting like she wants it and probably believes she knows how this goes. She wont listen when the only other chick in the place suggests she could get hurt.

It starts, I exit. Even having a level of protection didn’t mean I was stupid enough to hang about when hormones and alcohol take over a group of males. And yes I could even be put in court and I would have to testify she seemed to want it to happen and was agreeable in the beginning. Some of them might be mums and stuff now and doing fine.

“And I still refuse to except white Aussies are more racist than others, but still know miss use of the word is an every day event.”

Okay, must be a mental block. I spent some time reading some really old posts of yours Belly. I think you are a genuine nice guy. I kind of suspect we will clash a lot though.

Hi Ginx, Hey Pynchme… I can see where I got a bit boring and where I go off on a strange tangent. I have been hanging out on a site called Raising Children and on there all we do is talk about our kids. I kinda wondered over here and just carried on.

Ready for quick story? I was having a huge name calling nasty fight on one site and me (the foster parent) and these two women (parents with children in foster care somewhere) were pulling no punches in rapid posts when this little comment pops up in the middle:

“Hi I’m Jennifer I am Julie’s daughter :)”

Scared the bejeesus out of all three of us. Jen lives in a flat attached to the house and I am yelling out my window for her to get off the internet right bloody now. So I should be more careful, she might be watching!

I haven't followed the posts on this thread for a while, but have
just read a few and have some comments.

Examinator, you are of course free to preach your morals and ethics,
but they are simply your opinion and no more. I have my own morals
and ethics which I apply to my life, but I am not as judgemental
as you are. Others live by their morals and ethics, as long as
they are not breaking any laws, they are frankly none of my business.

Unequal levels of power exist all through our society. The power
of the intellectual over the less gifted. The so called "pussy
power" held by a young and attractive female, to get what she
wants in life on her terms. The list is endless. That's just life,
its not fair.

In the case of Clare, it is quite unreasonable for anyone to have
a go at young football players for not being responsible and ignore
the fact that young Clare should have been responsible. She
had sexual power at her fingertips, as the evidence shows. She
rejected the ugly guy, so was clearly making choices.

Alot of these players would have been little older then Clare and
none of you know what their past sexual experiences were. They
could well have had other footie chicks welcome a group of them for
group sex, they would have based their behaviour on what other females
had taught them.

If any one of you had approached Clare, on her way to a bedroom with
a couple of blokes and tried to change her mind, she might well have
told you to mind your own business. Fair enough.

With our tremendous freedom come responsibilities, first and foremost
to ourselves, to be responsible for our actions. Clare seemingly
learnt the hard way

have any of you considered the girl may have been..''out of her mind'..or the football-players[turns out half the world is legally certifyable

just watched a disturbing vidio...called making a killing
revealing half of us are crazy[acording to sellouts in the phycotropic drug industry]

it was disturbing info[attention deficite was even included[42,000 deaths,...masive/sideaffects,sellout[for cash]magazines and universities in on the scam..[there was mention of a ten minute questionare..[govt has legislated legal]..plus so much more info worthy of discussion..wherever we see aberant behaviour

anyhow here is my search for the survey mentioned in the vidio

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA%2CMEDA%3A2008-36%2CMEDA%3Aen-GB&q=teenscreen+questionare&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

picked a sample from the search for you to do here..[appartently half of us are legally nuts]

http://bigpharmatruth.com/?p=7

The description the video states:

“Psychotropic drugs...It’s the story of big money–drugs that fuel a $330 billion psychiatric industry,..without a single cure...The cost in human terms is even greater–these drugs now kill an estimated 42,000 people every year...And the death count keeps rising.

Containing more than 175 interviews with lawyers,mental health experts,the families of victims and the survivors themselves,this riveting documentary rips the mask off psychotropic drugging and exposes a brutal but well-entrenched money-making machine.”

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=80363199A8C1CE1D&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&v=NKYAmg5giAE
or if removed...again..try
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=making+a+killing&aq=f

the video points out that many mental disorders that are catalogued in the DSM as.."diseases"..are not really diseases at all...They are just disorders or some common,

everyday behaviors we all endure that have been.."voted" as diseases by psychiatrists who profit from drug industry money and from writing prescriptions...Many of the experts interviewed admit that there are no physical,..objective tests for mental illnesses...

read the side-affects[wonkey decision making,maybe she..[or them]were out of their minds

One anecdote, one comment:

Jewels I had to chuckle at your anecdote about your daughter! I managed a bit of a coup yesterday.

I got back and checked my emails. I got a tip off that a 'lady' (you want cattiness-this is your gal;-she never stops), on a website, that I had left YEARS ago (true!), had made a derogatory comment about me.

I took out membership in my original user name to make one post only. I made it in 'prime time' for maximum impact. I knew it wouldn't stay on the page for too long, and I needed maximum exposure.

I made my post/it was on for three hours/it was removed/I was banned.
Joined/One post/Banned!-3 hours flat! A record.

SORTED! They cannot unring the bell!
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Yesterday I also decided to check the most chauvinistic site I know!
It has a particular theme, but does have a general forum. it also happens to be the most moderated site I have ever encountered.

I found the thread on the Christchurch incident, and braced myself because it had gone 59 pages (MUCH larger than these), and had been locked!

I read all 59 pages,.....because it was an eye opener. It was men who argued STRONGLY with men! In the way the women (largely) have been doing here.
It was so damn good to see so many blokes take on the others. I had a 'well I'll be damned!!' reaction. And I was pleased and humbled by the way the blokes took it on.
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For the last time:

The girl was NOT one of the groupies.
I personally believe she was a fool;-but a fool only.
She did NOT agree to 'entertaining' 11 men. Ugly or not.
I have no interest in the groupies-this is about the girl.
....oh, and not all women are innocent, and all men guilty, but I've said that before, as have a couple of my compadres;-and we have been nissing into the pind.

I will now answer any further claptrap, with a 'conveyor belt' response.
We're ALL repeating ourselves. It's pointless.