exa,minator:"Clearly you have problems with the concept of 'power imbalances' that are can be caused by group dynamics.i.e. the pressure to conform to the will of those in power. And the the concept of the obligation for the strong to look after the weak."

You simply haven't made your case. I'm very well aware that a perception of status or authority can influence behaviour, what I'm not convinced of is that the woman, Clare, was the one who perceived she was of lesser power. After all, she had a group of attractive young men all seemingly deperate to sample her charms. Can you not see that this gives her a great deal of power, at least in her own perception? She was even feeling strong enough to call one of these rather athletic young men "ugly" - hardly a sign of someone intimidated.

Examinator:"this is just a conversation"

A converstaion implies an exchange of views and some discussion of them, hopefully leading to a greater understanding. You made a post claiming a lot of things, including some about me personally and now you want to avoid the questions I asked in response. That's not a "conversation", it's heckling.

As for "mainstream psyshiatrists" etc, unles they can produce a coherent argument to support their contentions those claims are worth no more than the ramblings of the local drunk. Don't try to impress with referred authority - this is a "conversation", where we state our OWN views and defend our own statements.

Examinator:"Dominance is all about power"

Self-evidently. The feminist power-axis believes it is now dominant and they wanted to show off their power by taking on a truly masculine activity and forcing it to kowtow to their demands.

Examinator:"You have told me your opinion I've told you mine What's left?"
Examinator:"To me the interest IS the complexity."

erm...

How about having a go at some of those questions then?

“ I live about 230 klm north of you but once not far away.”

Oh that is too cool, if you are ever passing this way let me know if you want a coffee.

Aussie being racist is not a biggy (yes does happen everywhere) except that the other countries, besides not liking outsiders, knew who they were.

I don’t find Oz is ready for school yet. Suits me, I like toddlers and Aussie is like a country going through all the phases of toddlerhood.

Mummy Britain did as best she could as a solo mother but older half brother USA is a bully and your Uncle Middleast keeps sending your cousins to play while Great Aunt Asia had a ton of kids that keep stealing your pocket money. Your favourite is your baby sister New Zealand but she is stubborn and learnt to catch a ball before you did which will always annoy you.

“And boy have I been taken, another story. Not big now, down from 132lkg to 104 and continues.”

Wow, that’s a hell of an achievement. I go up and down, down when there’s more kids here to run around after.

“I see some truth in examinators last few posts, group sex. rough group sex can be about power. Can be as bad as my description of rape. But that power is often the the hands of the female, not the men.”

Ummm… I think you better take that back before the other females read it.

“I remind you of that western suburbs girl who insisted boys be locked in the car with her until the deed was done.
Wonder if they ever complained? Well at the time but after?”

Did you have to remind me of her? I’d put bets on that the boys are okay.

“All I was trying to say was that IMO we all are morally obliged to consider/protect the more vulnerable in a case like this young woman.”

I didn’t hear about the young Mormon thing. But yes, people should defend people. And if girls did that it is worse, I think females are hardwired to protect the vulnerable. Oh that was sexist of me.

In the Maori wars there was one battle where a chief bought the women in near the end when it looked like the tribe was going to lose. The women won that one, women will fight hard for their race, their children. Not often for themselves. Not that I have yet spotted this attitude locally.

“It is currently held that in these cases sex as in intercourse is not the driving force it is a combination of power over the less powerful and mob mentality. The crime is one of violence, deprivation of liberty etc”

You may tend to over think or over rationalize Examinator. In these situations it was just the mob thing and the collective low brows and nothing else. Sex must be a driving force, or they would have just beaten the crap out of him and moved on. Bikie girls must have a bit of the dominatrix in them?

Um, excuse my ignorance on this one and I am trying to phrase it and I have already gone red in the face, but can men get it up in a situation like that?

J,

There is a fine line from being protective and authoritarian. The only way to protect people from their own bad decisions is not to let them make any.

How on earth can you see any policy or legislation being able to stop this type of situation? Forbid women moving around unescorted?

Freedom includes the freedom to make mistakes.

1)-But that power is often the the hands of the female, not the men.
We do ourselves no favors pretending such women do not exist.
That some women, age 19 or 50, ask for such sex.......Even jewely so they can say they layed their friends husband....
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2)-......what I'm not convinced of is that the woman, Clare, was the one who perceived she was of lesser power. After all, she had a group of attractive young men all seemingly deperate to sample her charms. Can you not see that this gives her a great deal of power, at least in her own perception?....
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And yet more! An each way bet here:

1) Covers women in general, not the situation here;-BUT it IS designed to show that some women like it (that is true;-some), ergo the girl liked it.
If that is NOT the case, there is little point in making this statement.

2) 'a group of men are desperate to sample your charms = you have the power = you call the shots = you enjoyed it = you asked for it = you can't complain afterward!!

Notice who are missing??

Men. Eleven of them. Eliminate them; concentrate on the girl and what motivates her (illustrating female sexuality in general, and an extraordinary suggestion about 'laying' your friends husband thrown in for good measure).....and male behaviour and responsibility slowly fades into insignificance.

NO IT DOES NOT!

Ginx, the majority aren’t going to get it.

You logged in, you encouraged the conversation, it all went to crap and they wouldn’t listen to you when you objected, in fact they tried to convince you they were in the right.

You will now leave and they will say you wanted it and in fact enjoyed it.

No worries, we will win in the end Ginx.
(I read somewhere that the male DNA is getting shorter and one day there will not be any more males)

SM:“There is a fine line from being protective and authoritarian. The only way to protect people from their own bad decisions is not to let them make any.”

It annoys me no end that humans grow up to be s complicated Shadow Minister. A good mum will hold her kids hand while crossing the road while a good government will say “get out there and decide yourself if you can move faster than that porche with the P plates”.

SM“How on earth can you see any policy or legislation being able to stop this type of situation? Forbid women moving around unescorted?”

A policy that demands the grownups do better I think. Better education.

But yes a simple one in this case is that NRL management do not tolerate wanted or unwanted sex as a group on tour? Or better supervision of their boys? How about the boys learn that they are representing their country and their country will not tolerate it? Are they not taught they shame their country when they act like this as an Australian team?

Oh just read that bit to Hubby who I suspect is playing a computer game and not in fact logged on to work fixing a problem like he constantly claims and he replied “god you’re a kill joy”.

SM“Freedom includes the freedom to make mistakes.”

You can explain that to my husband because any minute he is going to get a smack.