*for there are potentially thousands of good people, who sooner or later, may access these posts. *

Hehe dickie, don't kid yourself :) Interestingly enough, very few
OLO posters take part in the animal welfare debates, compared to
other topics.

*Why, dear posters, do you believe PETA has over 1 million paid up members?*

Ah, because Peta are good at marketing and pushing emotional buttons.
It does not say much about the intelligence of their members.
When organisations promote people like Pamela Anderson, who is
known for little but big breasts, I doubt if they are appealing
to peoples intelligence and reasoning skills.

The thing is dickie, why Peta has no credibility, is because like
your writing, its all about melodrama and not a balanced picture
that you are trying to conjure up. When any kind of objectivity
is thrown out the window, thinking people see through that,
you are left with a few true believers.

There is plenty of livestock farming going on, where animals are
treated humanely and are slaughtered humanely. Highlighting
some incidents as standard, does not make your case.

The sea kitten story is similar, its over the top and people see
through it.

If Peta have an issue with factory farming, they should stick
to America, Europe and China, the homes of factory farming.

In Australia, most livestock farming is still free range. That is
why MacDonalds buy so much beef from Australia. Its not as fat
as the factory farmed stuff from the US.

If they want to comment on Australian farming, rather then just
employing marketing consultants to raise more money, they should
employ some qualified Australian livestock industry people.

""Free will!?" Free for whom or what?"

As a member of the Vegetarian Society I was exposed to several PETA presentations. I did not feel at ease during those presentations, something seemed wrong - those people were ANGRY. Also, with the display of so much gore, it almost seemed as if they actually like it.

Yet I say, free will to eat whatever you want. It is one's own business: Eat sea-kittens, land-kittens, rocks, asbestos, even homo-sapiens - murder if you will, it's your karma and yours alone.

At the same time also, free will to be angry and re-display disgusting gory activities, if that's your cup of tea. I will not tell you what to do, I will quietly walk away.

Bronwyn,

I agree animals have feelings and deserve no less respect than you or I.

I want fishing cruelty to stop and fast, shark-fin cutting (the sharks can't swim after it is cut off and fall to the ocean bed to drown), whales, some Asian cooking methods where the live fish is boiled alive in oil, live crayfish boiling etc etc...

I think PETA are most often a bad publicity for animal welfare. Belly is correct, they almost could be said to be harmful to animals.

They hijacked the Aussie campaign to end live export of sheep to the ME which is the most cruel thing I have ever seen in animal suffering (and I have seen a lot of it) and the used the momentum we had going to push for an end to mulesing (cutting skin of the poohey area of wool off a sheep's bum to keep it clean and less prone to fly strike)
They threatened to end the Aussie wool industry and basically we lost the momentum and today even, 4 or so years later, sheep are still on those bloody boats.

Fly strike is revolting to be sure but NO WHERE near as bad as the boat ride to the Middle-East and the treatment there.

This is typical of PETA... I dunno maybe the do a bit of good, but as a person who cares deeply about animal rights I dislike them a lot. They verge on mild terrorism in my eyes, it seems more about them than they animals to me.

Poly do you just eat your animals alive, mate? It actually is murder. Worth thinking about, as one can at least buy less cruelly killed meat of one looks around for it and pays a tad extra.

ahhgg, sorry, my puter is stuffed atm or my connection and I am only getting the first page of the strings and have responded to Bronwyn Polycarp and Belly from page 1 in the previous post.

Yu'

I don't believe in karma, but i do agree, PETA are a bit off in some way... I think anger is natural when you see the torture animals suffer for culture or just food. But yes, PETA seem unconcerned about the animals in a way and more concerned with righteously forcing something on people. This will simply breed resentment to a pretty decent cause. Even if someone just quits bacon or one type of meat they are helping.

More "disgusting gory activities" provided for your perusal Yuyustu where I dedicate this video to the memory of Yabby's sheep forced to endure the long haul to the Middle East "where (Australia's) animals are treated humanely and are slaughtered humanely!"

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=iXV65Jvqjgk

And a few more for luck, "proudly" boasting Australia's "humane" treatment of livestock and dedicated to the "Infamous liars I know:"

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,23889473-2761,00.html

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:a4jxf6talRQJ:www.aact.org.au/greyhounds.htm+grey+hounds+exported+australia&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=au&lr=lang_en

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/bribe-claim-rocks-wool-trade-body/2008/03/07/1204780065920.html

In 2004, Australian laboratories, brutalised and vivisected 6 million animals:

http://www.artezia.net/animaux/vivisection/vivisection-gb.htm

http://www.savebabe.com/video.php

And my grateful thanks to Yabby once again, who persistently and unwittingly contributes to the coffers of PETA. Well done......Bravo!

"Angry" Yuyutsu? No no indeed not and we shall have a drink this evening in your honour! Prost!

Ah......almost forgot the sea kittens - "tsk tsk off topic again - naughty Dickie!":

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/12/29/2455906.htm

Cheerio.

Dickie,

The dogmeat industry is really off, it will end up with dogs loosing any legal protection they have as they are lowered to livestock status.

When I have shown dog stuff to people they have been so shocked, a lot of people just don't know what goes on. Same with lab stuff.

The sheep and cattle slaughter houses are slightly more publicly known, as are the battery pigs. (Belly we are getting battery sheep now too just fyi) Feedlots are also pretty common here in OZ.

Most of these people on OLO care about good, even when I don't agree with them, I believe mostwant to lessen animal harm just cuz they can