Belly

"But lets look again at this thread, because I have views different than Bronwyn. Yes surely for no other reason, she referred in a very nasty way, to my education and maybe thought processes."

I have NEVER referred to you in a nasty way and would certainly NEVER refer to your education. Please support this accusation with a quote, Belly.

I've talked about uninformed ignorance but it was not directed at you personally. It was directed at the thread itself and the way in which you've managed it.

You set out on a deliberate witch hunt. You had one purpose and that was to hold PETA up to ridicule. You completely distorted the campaign in question. You made no attempt at balance. You made no effort to visit PETA's website and present its reasoning behind the sea kitten campaign.

Not one person on the whole of the thread has presented an argument against PETA's position on recreational fishing. All we've had is mud hurled at PETA. Some like Ludwig have made genuine attempts at decent discussion, but most have taken cheap shots instead of offering even a glimmer of valid argument.

You said you didn't want a war, Belly, but you were happy that the tenor of your thread never moved beyond a bun fight. I've always admired your posts and respected you as a poster, but your efforts here at the very least have been lazy, if not downright dishonest.

dickie,
Groups of dogs,called a pack, whether they be native dogs, feral dogs or town dogs out for the night, Kill far in excess of any hunger requirement and the killing and maiming is done for fun, that is common knowledge. You are not even honest enough to acknowledge that fact. You continue with the line that only humans kill for greed and fun, despite evidence to the contrary.

So any credibility you claim is gone. I do not believe you have a heritage in grazing, no pastoralist daughter could be so ignorant, naive and impractical. Even the first few years being raised in a graziers household gives kids far greater sense than you show.

You are just a silly sheila who's only ability is to parrot and spew out PETA propaganda.

So keep going with the 'Sea Kitten" campaign and people can easily point out just how stupid PETA is. Great laughs all around. The headline reads 'A tourist was attacked by a 3.5 metre White Sea Kitten off Byron Bay this morning' and 'A Bull Sea Kitten takes dog in Parramatta river'

Thanks Belly, for providing this amusemant.

Ludwig. I’m afraid it’s not the end of the story – there’s more. It’s still a free country – well for some!

PETA advise that a successful brief would see the end of animals systematically hung up alive by a hind leg, gaffed up by the throat, scalded, skinned while still conscious, pushed down conveyor belts to slaughter, fried to death with electric shocks in the anus, endlessly caged, left in darkness, forced to have inedible products poured down their throats and into their eyes.

They're forced to give birth, forced to produce milk, bludgeoned, shocked, drugged with steroids and antibiotics, crammed into cages that cripple paws, teeth, tails, beaks, health and spirit and then slaughtered for a very toxic Big Mac, chicken burger, mascara or some fancy-coloured fur trim.

Harvesting feed crops, continually pumping water and sewage, running packing plants and slaughterhouses, all rely on heavy machinery and fossil fuel consumption.

While 100m tonnes of food is usually diverted to feed cars, 760m tonnes will be snatched from the mouths of humans to feed animals. Yay......an excellent strategy to rid the world of over-population Ludwig eh?

Should we simply deny this is happening and seek Nirvana for our miserable soul and cowardly hide out in an ashram somewhere like Yuyutsu, who declared, “Well said, which just proves, Belly, that free-will is paramount and neither PETA, nor any other person or organization, can (or should) substitute for your own conscience,”

"Free will!?" Free for whom or what? He then goes on to dictate to us on how to become devotees of Yoga: “ When there is natural firmness in non-violence all hostility comes to an end in its very presence. Conflict ceases in such a mind." Yeah......... in ya mind Yuyutsu!

Why not put your miserable “self” last and do something constructive to halt this sordid carnage which you et al deny?

"but at least I don't need to give up on morality altogether and be counted amongst the worst of humans." Yeah right you are Yuyutsu - thank you Oh Great One!

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“Gentlemen”

Your unmitigated conceit leads you to believe that I am endeavouring to force my beliefs upon you. How very wrong you are for I expect nothing from those whose cruel connections are paramount. I expect nothing from those who wish to destroy this nation by salivating and greedily feasting on tortured species.

You are not heroes but Neroes my friends. The “empire builders,” those who walk on their knuckles, are grateful for your support. And what public deeds have you performed to halt the environmental destruction from factory farming in your own country?

I thought not. You see gentlemen, I do not write these posts for your exclusive viewing. I do not write these posts exclusively for the giggling hyenas on this thread for there are potentially thousands of good people, who sooner or later, may access these posts. They will form an opinion from the facts Bronwyn and I have placed here. They will see that the facts have not been addressed by the pack of howling hyenas, baying for the blood of others and they will indeed spread the word.

Why, dear posters, do you believe PETA has over 1 million paid up members? From the information gleaned on the Internet dear ones and as Gandhi advised:

“The morality of a nation will be judged by the way it treats its animals.”

I am indebted to Bronwyn’s contribution, her compassion and her courage for most posters on OLO lack the courage to go out on a limb for animals. Her balanced and rational assessment has taught me much. I thank you Bronwyn.

"We must fight against the spirit of unconscious cruelty with which we treat the animals. Animals suffer as much as we do. True humanity does not allow us to impose such sufferings on them. It is our duty to make the whole world recognize it. Until we extend our circle of compassion to all living things, humanity will not find peace."(Albert Schweitzer)

And may the force of Karma be with you all.

Bronwyn out of respect for you I break my promise to myself.
Please go back to one of your posts in this thread.
Review what you intended by your line including reference to my spell check.
If I got it wrong without reserve I am sorry.
Now in print we often look to be saying something we did not want to.
Believe me it has often been the case for me.
So clear these two issues up.
my reference to Nicky's thread was ONLY to highlight the indifference it has seen, I do not agree with most of Nicky's views.
But I respect her and read all she posts.
Now Bronwyn if I am wrong here believe me I am sorry, it was never my intent to hurt you.
I do think differently than you, to me without doubt PETA are foolish and uninformed.
Why would I start this thread to ridicule them? the very idea does that much better than I ever could.
Sea Kittens!
I fish, I eat what I catch, I release undersized and never continue after I have a feed.
I eat meat always have always will, I have killed my own and worked in a meat packing house.
In fact was once a delegate for the then union in that industry for a short time.
Few Australians are not concerned about needless cruelty to any animal, yet so many who are so remote from average Aussies try to tell us in terms like this how to live.
If saying it as I see it makes me a trouble maker then thats what I am, forever.

Dickie, I totally share your disgust with all this sort of animal cruelty and I support PETA’s efforts to eliminate it.

But this doesn’t further our debate here at all regarding PETA’s direct input into sustainability.

I propose that within campaigns like the one against meat consumption that the least they should be doing is saying that population growth is a large part of the overall issue and that sustainability is essential. Even if they could just see their way clear to include a few simple words of this type in their campaign spiels and media releases, it would help tremendously.

They should also be pushing for other environmental organisations to do the same and for governments to embrace the stabilisation of population and genuine sustainability paradigms.

Don’t you think that PETA should find it within itself to at least do this much directly for the cause of sustainability?

I still wish they’d put at least 50% of all their effort into it and really drive the messages home, and get stuck into the details of population growth and sustainaibility in campaings where these issues are major factors in reducing or preventing the constantly increasing magnitude of animal mistreatment, which would be most of their current campaigns, such as reducing meat consumption and fishing……….er… um…………….sea-kittening!