*And my grateful thanks to Yabby once again, who persistently and unwittingly contributes to the coffers of PETA. Well done......Bravo!*

Well that is great news Dickie! If you have watched the news, then
you will know that the US economy is in diabolical shape and they
need every cent that they can get! They are after all, our biggest
customer for lamb meat and we would not want them to be unable to
pay our bill :) So send all the Aussie Dollars that you have.

Of course you are angry and it shows in your posts. Angry, just
like those Peta people. Fanatical really and that is the problem,
for rational and sensible debate becomes impossible. That is
exactly why organisations like Peta are ignored by the mainstream
population.

Mind you, the animals rights activist tactic of trying to shock
people with graphic images, has been around a long time. The
Catholic priests for life have been showing gory bits of fetus
for ages, so perhaps that is where you lot learnt all about it.

It sure works for some, like yourself. The more intelligent
realise that it is a clever marketing ploy and seek more objective
evidence, for what is really going on out there in the real world.

Just as I have no influence over people who want to join the
Jehovas Witnesses, the Taliban and similar fanatical organisations,
or true believers who are sucked in by Peta, well so be it.

At least there is a benefit with the latter. Our lamb business
to the US might keep flourishing and growing, if they can afford
to pay our bills with your help :)

Sea kitten thread possibly kicked off as light entertainment, but good to see it’s taken a more interesting twist with input from both sides.

First prise would have to go to Ludwig. Bronwyn’s contribution calming.Yuyutsu`s comment as a veggie interesting.
Belly feels that PETA are foolish and uninformed which brings us to this rare insight from Yabby.

*If they want to comment on Australian farming, rather then just
Employing marketing consultants to raise more money, they should
Employ some qualified Australian livestock industry people.
Posted by Yabby, Friday,

We agree.

Until sensible alternatives working 'united with farmers’ are supported by PETA and others don’t kid yourselves we can do much to improve welfare of animals.

Its difficult to try to tell people too much at once about the inherently cruel practises our DPI and Governments allow to go unreported.
Because there is so much unbeliable cruelty people tend think your an extremist or nutter.
Most of the Australian public think RSPCA for example inspect Abattoirs.
No they are NOT allowed to enter the premises unless invited.

Most members are decent normal people but we need to look closer at some heads.

We were thinking of giving Yabby first prise until he blew it with his comments on Pamela.
He proved the old school boys club still lives. Trying to discreet Pamela Anderson but unaware she is deeply concerned personally with Animal Welfare.

She’s got more moral fibre in just 'one of her breasts than the whole of the National party have in their pants.

Posted by meredith, Friday, 16 January 2009 5:48:32 PM
Looks like you just lost your position to meredith Yabbs.
Well said who ever you are.

Thank you for your sensible input to animal welfare.
Its people such as yourself that are needed as leaders to give the animals a chance.
We only have one question for you.

Where have you been all our lives.

Belly

"Bronwyn out of respect for you I break my promise to myself. Please go back to one of your posts in this thread. Review what you intended by your line including reference to my spell check. If I got it wrong without reserve I am sorry."

You did get it wrong, Belly. I made no reference to your spell check. Nor did anyone else, that I could see. Maybe you’re getting a bit paranoid.

“I fish, I eat what I catch, I release undersized and never continue after I have a feed.”

Ah Belly, I know you’re a good and decent man and that you genuinely don’t see the harm in what you do. That’s your prerogative. Here are a few facts though, that I hope stay with you and resurface in your mind each time you’re baiting your hook or reeling in some poor flailing fish.

The pain a fish feels when it’s hooked is equivalent to the pain we’d feel if a dentist drilled into our tooth without anaesthetic.

Fish have memories and can fear and anticipate pain.

Even when released, as well as the wounds from the hook, fish can suffer from the loss of their protective scale coating, dangerous build-up of lactic acid in their muscles, oxygen depletion, and damage to their delicate fins and mouths.

Once returned to the water, these fish are easy targets for predators and other anglers. Researchers have found that over 40% of fish released after being caught die within six days.

http://www.fishinghurts.com/Angling.asp

Recreational fishing is cruel and unnecessary, irrespective of whether the fish are killed on the spot or thrown, injured and exhausted, back into the water.

Being a ‘catch and release’ angler doesn’t let you off the hook on this one, Belly.

Dickie

Thank you. I can’t imagine what you’ve ‘learnt’ from me, but I’ve certainly learnt much from your knowledgeable and informative posts, as have I’m sure many others.

You have got me wrong Bronwyn I am a killer, last night I killed millions of mosquito's.
Maybe a few flys and even the odd cockroach.
The first men and women ate animals they killed with rocks spears and hands.
It was the meat that gave us the energy and life span to develop into todays humans.
In country's no better or worse than ours like China people eat much more that lives and breaths than we do.
Some times we cringe at the cruel ways it is killed or cooked, but while we may wish for change we must find ways to bring about change.
How can you tell fish feel pain?
Would the pain of an Eskimo child starving to death be worse?
I did see some thing in print, has any thread been changed or deleted?
I got it wrong once at least, Foxys insight highlighted something I let pass, I was wrong.
This is now an animal rights thread, it has got more posts than quite a few about the middle east combined.
Children are dead, in my view used as human Shields but dead still, both sides have forgotten them.
I and mainstream Australia will continue to fish, eat meat, and not help in the campaign to stop live exports.
We will be unconvinced we can sell sheep meat in a market that wants live sheep.
We will still have concerns about cruelty, be prepared to say so if asked by groups we think are rational.
PETA and its methods never will be such a group, it will bring more and more uninformed into its ranks, but mostly bring ridicule too, sea kittens has become the first thing people will think of as PETAS name is mentioned, laughter the second.
For a wage, 4 wheel drive and time of to go fishing I am available to fill the much needed PR job at PETA.
oh I will need a laughing room.
regards all.

PALE&IF: << [Pamela Anderson's] got more moral fibre in just 'one of her breasts than the whole of the National party have in their pants. >>

So "moral fibre" is made of silicone, and that's what National party members have their trousers made from? If that's the case, you're undoubtedly correct that one of Pammy's pneuamatic boobs would have enough for the entire National party.

So we've now gone from "Sea Kittens" to "Sex Kittens". I think PETA is very good at attracting attention, but I'm doubtful that this campaign will have any demonstrable influence on the fishing industry.

Nice to look at though :)