Thre is a common thread, though, PALE&IF

>>This topic certainly is worth discussion but not more so than the topic raised on this thread<<

The point that I was trying to get across in my first post, in which I clearly failed miserably, was to suggest that if we didn't have such a thriving market for dogs-as-pets, it would be far easier to clamp down on the trade of dogs-for-export.

Secondary to that point, but linked closely with it, were the double standards involved in a society that smiled upon on, and frowned on the other.

And who's AL, anyway?

>>Seasons Greeting to AL<<

Pericles, thank you. I think AL might have been meant to be "all" - if not, possibly Animal Liberation. I have no difficulty with your questions, I just wish I had a better (and more consistent) answer for them.

On a fundamental level your theory is of course absolutely right. If people did not keep dogs as pets there would be no market for them, and no place for the abominations that are "puppy mills", backyard breeders, and hapless animals sold by pet shops. But what to do with the dogs already here then becomes an issue. (Victoria is currently using leghold (steel-jawed) traps on dogs who have been abandoned and become wild).

I'm still curious about your thoughts about keeping animals for other commercial purposes though - food, "entertainment" (rodeos, circuses etc).

PALE, I couldn't find anything relevant to this thread in those links you provided - just the names of some people employed by AQIS. What were we meant to find?

Nicky

Pericles,

Nicky was correct. AL Was ALL Typo error sorry. But Seasons greeting to AL to who ever he is.

Btw I have NO problem if there are no domestic animals. (No animals no cruelty)

Could pls you let us know if you think its ok to breed for food?

*PALE, I couldn't find anything relevant to this thread in those links you provided - just the names of some people employed by AQIS. What were we meant to find?*

Just pointing out her role in AQIS and connection to AVA. The fact that AVA suddenly failed to attend without notice.
Peter sent her to discuss co joint Halal farms working direct with ME and Aussie farmers but she wouldn’t discuss it AT ALL. A Ministers advisor is “supposed” to support “all” players in an industry not just one. She sat there for two hours praising live exports.
Her support for live exports, her connection, to AQIS, AVA, warrants a closer imop.



Her statement that Hugh had only two days prior visited Peter r with Allan to pledge their ongoing 'support' for live exports.

I mean that would have been a pretty big event in Animal Welfare for public interest if RSPCA President flew all the way from UK.

If he came to meet in person with the Australian Minister of Ag along with the president of WSPA to (strongly) state their case ‘against’ live exports and to launch the national fund raiser for Ban Live Exports campaign- that would be something we should of heard about wouldn’t it?

I didn’t see any media releases to that effect did you?
Just passing idle comments on fyi

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:MRQuo4L6rhIJ:www.outdoorlife.net.au/LinkClick.asp

FYI

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=28&ContentID=112970

You must be pleased PETA are opening in Australia.

But PALE, how long ago was all this? Are these people still in those jobs? Certainly AQIS could do with a review, and not just for those reasons. Inaccurate statistics are another.

Handle with Care has been up and running for quite some time now, and there is plenty of media information there.

Nicky

Every time I see "so and so wants more control" I see the words shouting back at me

"Someone wants more power to restrict what you are allowed to do"

Before I gave the RSPCA or any other NGO or Government department any more "power" I would first ask

How well have they discharged the powers they presently have?

Will their intercession in the free transactions of individuals actually benefit anyone or any thing?

Making regulations for do-gooders to beat other folk over the head with adds nothing to the overall quality of life of poeple or critters.

Simply because Hugh Wurth "demands", is not a good reason for anyone to accede to those demands.

Nicky
Not that long ago. Around a month prior to the elections.

Its worth knowing if Hugh and Alan attended a meeting with the then Minister of Agriculture and pledged to continue their 'support' for Live Exports.
Pls note her words, not mine.

We should find out if Alan flew over to Australia at around that time and if so did they meet with Peter. If they did what took place at that meeting...

If its untrue true and no meeting took place then think we deserve to know why' Anne Lied.

*Handle with Care has been up and running for quite some time now, and there is plenty of media information there*

Your missing my point. *IF they met with ANY Minister and 'support' for live exports -( at the same time launching RSPCA fund raiser for Ban Live Exports) then people should want to know about it.

Where is Anne now you ask? No idea but probably not too far from AVA AQIS and Live Exports IMO.- Or perhaps real Estate and bio.



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