*but which part of “brutalised” do they not understand?*

Ah Dickie, but which part of "brutalised" don't you understand?

50 years ago, when you were still young and attractive, you might
have had the good fortune to attract the attentions of a farmer :)

As a wedding gift you might have received an axe and would have
been expected to regularly select a fowl from the flock, chop
its head off and pluck it for the family dinner. All very
sustainable and certainly not cruel.

You have told us that you were not that fortunate, your family
only eating chicken on Xmas day etc. Ok fair enough.

The point is that Nicky thinks that eating chickens is brutal,
97% of societiy do not seem to agree with her and have no problem
tucking in.

Clearly its her that has a problem with how she uses the word,
not the rest of society.

But posting this may not have been so smart after all - wait until the "livestock" export farmers get hold of it, there will be shiploads of all breeds of dogs sent off to China. After all, if there's a quid in it, what do the animals matter?

Nicky
Posted by Nicky, Sunday, 30 November 2008 8:54:24 PM

Nicky what you think they are not involved already.

AQIS must keep a register of all puppies and tag numbers.
If there were to be an outbreak because of intensive puppy breeding AQIS ‘must have some way of tracing the batch (for want of better terms.)

We must know if these puppies are being produced in products such as eg chewy Yabby bits.

China recalled their lollies which were exported to Australia which was contaminated...

In other words you follow the paper trail from port to restaurant……

BTW Interesting the X Minister for advisor insisted there were no dogs pups being exported out of Australia to Asia…

http://www.aact.org.au/greyhounds.htm

*The point is that Nicky thinks that eating chickens is brutal,
97% of societiy do not seem to agree with her and have no problem
tucking in. *

Posted by Yabby,
Yabby
Most people do not know about the conditions they are kept. Or that they are thrown into the fire alive to remove feathers then stuck into boiling water while still alive before having their throat cut.
Free Range is approved by most of us however you cant buy It!

You will be pleased to know I`m off to the bush where there is no computers.

Yabby

It is against my better judgement to respond to your vacuous arguments, however, Nicky is not objecting to people eating chickens. You continue with your red herrings.

And what happens to an animal after death is of no concern.

What you continue to deny is that animal suffering in this nation is on a vast scale.

What is beyond your comprehension is that humans cannot just take from these creatures without giving them something in return.

We owe them a merciful life, and we owe them a merciful death.

Matthew Scully, a former speechwriter for President George W. Bush, wrote "Dominion: The Power of Man, the Suffering of Animals, and the Call to Mercy."

Why not educate yourself and read his book?

Just as a little aside, Avon cosmetics are all made in China. After the contamination, would you put that on your eyes or your face?

PALE, the AACT website doesn't seem to have been updated for a while, but my understanding is that greyhounds are exported to Macau, and South Korea (as a minimum). AQIS probably doesn't know the half of what is exported - even at sheep and cattle ladings, they are rarely to be found.

Dickie, I agree with you about Yabby's vacuous arguments, but do you think he is capable of reading work of the quality of Matthew Scully - much less gaining any understanding of it?

Nicky

It is really not at all impressive, the way you guys constantly sidestep the main issue.

>>Pericles, I also do not believe in the indiscriminate breeding of dogs for what you call 'enslavement'<<

I assume therefore that you what you do believe in, Nicky, is the "non-indiscriminate" breeding of dogs for the purposes of them being sold to humans as "pets".

So how exactly would you "discriminate", and why?

>>But dogs have, like it or not, become domesticated creatures, and those who are here therefore are entitled to our care and protection<<

This is nonsensical. If there were no trade in dogs-bred-as-pets (see above), they would not need our "care and protection". Not only that, there would be no need to "rescue" them...

>>The two dogs I have are "rescue" dogs, and I really don't think they feel enslaved.<<

This is pure sophistry. It reminds me of the plantation owners in 1840's Louisiana who used a similar "happy darkies" argument to justify their actions, routinely splitting up families, buying and selling people, all the while believing that it was justified by the Bible (Gen 9:8-15)

So please enlighten me.

What is the difference between breeding dogs to become owned by people for the span of their natural life, and slavery?

You also failed to answer my question on the difference between this practice, and breeding them for their meat.

I'd really like to hear your justification.

Not only that, but you also sidestepped my question on why it is so important to stop animals being exported, when we are quite comfortable mistreating them at home?

It would seem to me that the only answer that can possibly be ethically held on this topic is to outlaw the breeding of dogs-as-pets entirely.

And yes, I am serious.

Nicky:

We must strive to maintain a stiff upper lip in light of the adversity thrust at us by some of the recalcitrent representatives of our society, who themselves seem intent upon denigrating every well-intentioned and most sincere statements of our support for animal welfare!

Todays news report of some inhumane bastard(s) "harrassing and then setting alight a live Possum" in Bathurst, leaves little doubt as to the general attitude toward animals from a large proportion of our community!....Isn`t it strange that when these events occur, the local police have to ask for witnesses to come forward, in most cases a futile excercise as most people do NOT wish to "get involved",....and even if a culprit is apprehended, the penalty at best is a tap on the hand or a very nominal fine! These MONSTERS should NOT be walking the streets as they are at this time practising their vile pastimes on innocent animals, but no doubt will eventually graduate to applying the same twisted sadism on members of the human race,....who at least may be able to fight back!

This is sadly a very sick world in which we are just a few fighting vainly to protect the innocent, whether it be animal or human