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RSPCA wants more control over exported puppies - The Age

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Col

Fair comment. . It’s a difficult act to juggle. On one hand RSPCA are the leading Animal Welfare Authorities so we would expect Hugh to be outraged by breeding factories being allowed to operate here in Australia to export puppies for food.
From what I have heard of him I don’t think he would support that at all.
If he wasn’t complaining we should be even more worried.
I am not sure if he’s a control freak or he has been controlled in the past either.

I guess what the public really want to know is what else are Hugh and RSPCA National going to do about puppy factories in Australia breeding to export for food.

What will RSPCA DO about this if given more power?

Will they perhaps hand back the power to the DPI under State Government MOU leaving it up to the Government to control this as has been done with farm animals.
This is mostly the case with farm animals
Some times people can be mislead about RSPCA. They do some wonderful things for dogs and cats with the help of the public who volunteer their time. RSPCA inspectors and CEOs wages are made up by grants from both federal and state Governments for their wages cars holidays etc.
I think you will find each CEO is actually employed by RSPCA National.
Given RSPCA Nationals close ties with MOUs to DPI and Governments your quite right when you say lets find out more before passing any more powers imo..
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Monday, 15 December 2008 5:08:41 AM
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We may be making progress, Nicky.

(and the reference to AL was just a tease - I had guessed the intent)

>>But what to do with the dogs already here then becomes an issue.<<

As I mentioned before, the Pericles Plan would be to eliminate the problem at its source - no new pets. The problem you describe wouldn't change a bit, abandoned pets are abandoned pets. Since they do not come under the heading "new pets" I would imagine that someone would be found to look after them for the span of their natural life, just as occurs today.

>>I'm still curious about your thoughts about keeping animals for other commercial purposes though - food, "entertainment" (rodeos, circuses etc).<<

If you would allow me a little latitude here, to separate out entertainment from food for the time being.

I would fully support the abolition, at the same time as the ban on new domestic pets, of events that exploit animals such as rodeos, circuses, even those zoos that do not satisfactorily fulfill an animal conservation or sanctuary mission.

I have never understood the attraction of seeing animals "perform", nor of seeing them in captivity for the amusement of humans. The first time I went to a zoo was when I was nine, and I still haven't been able to forget the look in their eyes.

Total, empty, unadulterated despair.

I would still, however, put animals-for-food in a different category to keeping animals for our personal amusement.

Although fully justifying that last line to myself is still a work-in-progress, I will admit.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 15 December 2008 8:50:59 AM
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Hi Pericles,
Thanks for that. You have set my mind at rest. My hypocrisy rears its ugly head again though about how much I would miss having my dogs in my life, and how sad I would be, but ethically your position is the right one. But then do we take it that step further and determine that no food animals should be bred for captivity, and food?

Your story reminded me of the story someone told me about the last Tasmanian Tiger (Thylacine), who died in abject misery in a zoo.

What of the zoos (such as Western Plains at Dubbo) which claim they are breeding to prevent the extinction of threatened species? Where do we draw these lines in the sand? Should we allow nature to take its course (survival of the fittest)? I have a moral objection to the amount of filming of human interference with wild animals that goes onto Animal Planet, for example. How many times do these people need to film animals ripping other animals to bits? We know it goes on, but what sort of people want to watch it over and over again?

I have always accepted the proposition that animals are here for their own reasons, they have self-interest, and an immeasurable capacity to suffer as the human animal does. They are not here for human exploitation in any form.

Nicky
Posted by Nicky, Thursday, 18 December 2008 6:23:42 PM
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Nicky & Pericles

Excellent summary of topic. I too feel compromised with my love and need for animal companions. There is no easy answer.

I looked at the above name you gave the topic, Nicky; "RSPCA wants more control over exported puppies". In this often cruel world someone has to regulate the export of animals, if not the RSPCA who should be responsible?

Thank you for giving me much to consider.
Posted by Fractelle, Friday, 19 December 2008 8:50:36 AM
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Fractelle
Whilst I agree with all of the avove. Arn`t we going round in circles here.
The problem with that is we have already established the fact RSPCA have no control over live animal exports.

No staff, no powers with most of these codes being self regulated and RSPCAs having MOUs with DPI state Governments.

We agree RSPCA SHOULD have more control and the funds to employ the insepectors to police 'without interfearance' from State and Federal Governments.

Now thats unlikely when you consider AQIS are Government and 'control it.
As well there is always a possibly conflict of interest when you consider all CEOs and Inspectors wages are made up between State and Federal Governments including cars holidays etc.

Do I have the answers. No I dont. There are some wonderful people working within RSPCA and many of them close friends so its important you dont think I am knocking RSPCA in general because they do a wonderful job under hard conditions.

I am however drawing attention to the STRUCTURE of RSPCA National.

To Whom are these boards answerable to? Before we give more powers.

Ok Hugh if you get these powers how are you going to police them?

OR are you going to hand it over to DPI State Governments under another cloud of a MOUS between RSPCA and DPIs?
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Friday, 19 December 2008 9:20:06 AM
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fractelle "if not the RSPCA who should be responsible"

Good question

imho

the person who breeds the puppies for export is the one who is most directly engaged and has gone to the effort.

Whilst a minority of those involved might be uncaring, to be motivated to do anything means an interest and I tend to believe in the goodness of people.

If you cannot regulate something EFFECTIVELY then we should not pretend that regulation for its own sake produces any benefits.

All it does is to focus power and authority into the hands of those who might be more corrupt than those they are regulating...

Any number of Victorian Vehicle Licencing staff (selling off vehicle ID's to the rebirthing industry), Council Building inspectors and (from recent events in USA) SEC inspectors serve as good examples and that is before we even get to politicians in public office.
Posted by Col Rouge, Friday, 19 December 2008 9:59:49 AM
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