*You are one sick bastard Yabby *

Deary me Dickie, you really did have a bad hair day! But that is
not unusual for the emotionally engulfed, so you have an excuse.
You can't help yourself and at your age, you are perhaps too
old to learn.

I remind you of the quote which triggered your outburst:-

"They are of course acting out of self interest, as does every other
creature."

So are you denying my claim? I remind you of the huge amount
of knowledge that we have accumulated about this topic. Have
you ever taken the time to understand the basics of evolutionary
psychology?

I remind you of the reasons why altruism and reciprocal altruism
evolved in the first place.

I remind you that you fell in love, because of how a person made
YOU feel. I remind you that you had children, to satisfy your
hormonal/maternal needs. Your self interest was involved.

I remind you that even when you do your good deed for the day and
feel great because of it, the reward chemistry of your brain
is making you feel good, so you have a reason to do it. Again
its in your self interest to feel good.

But I suspect that all of this is well beyond you Dickie, ok
fair enough.

Rojo. certainly no Irish/NZ/Japanese Melbourne Cup winners. In Pericles' terminology, few animals are more enslaved than racehorses - horse racing is animal abuse, not a "sport". Again with reference to Pericles, do people who want to move to another country consider the effect of travel and quarantine on their "much loved pet"?

I would suggest to everyone that if we totally ignore the mindless rubbish inflicted upon us by Yabby, he might go away - in other words, stop responding to him at all. Even slow learners like him will eventually get the message. If he cannot debate in any other form than insults, he does not deserve responses.

Pericles, I do understand your position (I'd be interested to hear what you eat regarding meat, milk, eggs, etc though), and as I have said, there are times that I deplore what I think is my own hypocrisy. I console myself with the reflection that my dogs (and I prefer the term guardian) would have been killed had I not taken them. And there is little doubt that they are happy creatures.

But to extend your thoughts further, we could say that children are the slaves of their parents, could we not (until the age when they can escape parental confines; then in later life parents often get their revenge when they are old)? How far do we take this notion? Employees enslaved by employers? Wives/husbands enslaved?

Nicky

Pericles,

If Australia banned all pets in domestic homes that would have no affect what so ever to the issue raised in this thread.

In fact it would ‘increase cruelty to domestic animals given there would be no competition in market.

It would place dogs in the same position as cattle sheep goat’s horses etc are right now.

If you have listened to Yabby’s argument you will know his defence of exporting animals alive is the lack of competition.

So there would be no choice between going to live with Nicky or Dickey or Cup handle etc – All dogs and pups would be exported to be bashed to death and eaten.

In a tiny room in the back of a restaurant beaten to death with sticks and thrown off the walls. Then skinned and dropped into boiling water all while still alive.

If I were a pup I know where I would prefer to be sent.

On a personal note I would like to say I find your posts insulting and offensive towards Nicky especially regarding her dogs. You must be aware she spends much of her free time working to improve Animal Welfare. I think your posts are almost unkind towards her or leaning towards cruel.

Yabby

I take it then you approve of Australia breeding dog’s puppies to live export for meat+ of course slaughtering dogs in Australia and exporting dog meat.
Have I got that right?

So do you know the company names exporting dogs ?. You either know or you don’t know.

Btw did you know men have a much greater drive to reproduce than women?
Apparently its one of the most basic drives within a male.

I agreed with you in many of your comments in the past because I understand the plight of many farmers.
However you do not represent the average farmers. You imo represent the corporate companies that have betrayed the farmers and run them off their farms to be replaced with intensive farming and feed lots.

I thought you were straight up and told it like it is.

disappointing

Dickey Nicky

For what it is worth. Here is the person who told us there were NO dogs being exported through AQIS to Asia etc about eighteen months ago while working as advisor for the X Minister of Ag

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:ehSTypAPQPcJ:www.daffa.gov.au/__data/assets/word_doc/0010/817777/reg-plan-planned-0809.doc+anne+mcdonald+aqis&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:NE9TvpWxqfoJ:www.daffa.gov.au/__data/assets/p

http://www.daff.gov.au/aqis/about/structure
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=anne+mcdonald+aqis+&btnG=Google+Search&meta=cr%3DcountryAU

Perhaps Dr Wirth might be concerned by what seems a deliberate attempt to mislead IMO.

Perhaps he could use this to open an enquiry into AQIS misleading the public imo.

Two of the people at that table were lawyers although I dont think she was aware of that at the time

Nicky, thanks for your last post.

But do please have a word to PALE&IF, who seems totally unprepared to accept that there is any form of ethical challenge in the keeping of domestic pets.

If a tenth of the effort she dedicates to waffle, changing the subject and blaming the messenger was spent in thinking through the problem, it might be worth further discussion.

Have a great day.

Pericles

*But do please have a word to PALE&IF, who seems totally unprepared to accept that there is any form of ethical challenge in the keeping of domestic pets.*

Pericles

This topic certainly is worth discussion but not more so than the topic raised on this thread.

I have explained that your idea no matter how well intended would only put dogs on the same list as farm animals to be exported alive for food and grown for food.

These are two different matters.

I feel Nickys concerns must be dealt with first..

Anyway I am unsure if I will get back to post before the 25th depending where I am so

Seasons Greeting to AL