There is a global food shortage and we look likely to be heading for the worst economic downturn in modern history yet, we still manage to provide billions in aid for struggling counties.

I say stop all live export and process all meats here then send FOOD to the struggling nations not dollars. At least then many of the ones who are about to loose their incomes can at least gain work in our processing and handling facilities.

Yabby, your comment about people buying whole.

Great point however we as consumers have been trained to react to what looks good and if it tastes good then that's a bonus.

Modern day butchers are a combination of butchers, chefs and window dressers, furthermore, consumers today demand perfection but most won't pay the price, hence the reason why 99% of bacon is imported today. PRICE!

Something like 28% or pig farmers shut their doors last year becasue they could no longer compete.

On the other hand if I could receive a lamb, pig or cow, break it down, bone chop and slice it then drop it in a box I could sell it for a fraction of what I charge today. I personally can process 20 lambs an hour, bone 65 chickens an hour or break 4 beef bodies an hour so if I could sell like this I could produce tons of meat per day, save the consumer at least 30% and make good money but the consumer won't buy it becasue it doesn't look right.

If I could sell 300 lambs per day, say 6 Ton at cost + $1/kg then I would gross $6000 profit, by the time I pay my expenses I will come out making a fortune for half a days work and the consumer wins as well, so even 50cents would be enough!

Perhaps some butchers need to join up with farmers. You grow, have them slaughtered and deliverd to my shop. I cut, pack and deliver to the consumer then we divy up the proceeds fairly. How good would that be hey! Everyone wins!

*can at least gain work in our processing and handling facilities.*

Rehctub, speak about Qld, but you clearly have no idea about what
is going on in WA, thousands of km away, its like a different
country. Every meat processor in WA has vacancies, Aussies simply
don't want those kind of mundane jobs. Why don't they take the
jobs on offer?

Expecting WA farmers to write off 150 million$ a year, to suit some
weird political/social agenda that you have, is totally unrealistic
and would just kill the goose that has been laying the golden eggs
for everyone.

*Modern day butchers are a combination of butchers, chefs and window dressers,*

Ah but there you have the problem. To do all those things costs
money and pushes the cost of meat through the roof, making it
unaffordable to many consumers, who want all those things but want
it cheap. 2+2 does not make 5. It is not the cost of meat that
is the problem, its the cost of getting it from the farmgate, to
the consumer.

So my prediction is that the market will split. Those consumers
wanting your kind of service, will have to pay for that service.
Value buyers who want value for money, will buy a small freezer
and buy quality lambs in bulk. Lets say 8.50 a kg for a whole
lamb, delivered to their door. Its a win-win for everyone.

That makes quality meat cheaper then many vegetables and cheaper
then many junk foods in fancy packets.

Just take a look at the US, where value suppliers like Costco
are thriving, even in recession, whilst those companies with
high overheads and fancy but expensive service, are losing business
hand over fist.

*Perhaps some butchers need to join up with farmers. You grow, have them slaughtered and delivered to my shop*

'Perfect' and perhaps we need you heading MLA or better still the country.
If everybody was upfront as the butcher nobody would suffer.
Not the farmers ,not the butchers , or small good outlets nor the plumbers elections, packaging factories county towns aboriginal people living in regional areas 'or the Aussie public.
Yabby said
Rehctub, speak about Qld, but you clearly have no idea about what
is going on in WA, ....

Bollucks Yabby save your dribble for the Animal Libbers whom you try to bluff.

WA is part of Australia isnt it?

Huh?

What do you know of QLD cattle industry? Come on you said it was different to WA .

How so?

Give me ONE example of how! its different Yabby.

Its no different - other than QLD are the red neck leaders of cattle and you guys mostlty run sheep.
Same horse different rider.

AQIS still control export licences under MLA and DPI Austrade direction!!

You KNOW the Government put condtions on the abattoir industry ONLY to block them bringing in skilled labour.

You know the costs in the red meat industry with tagging which LIVE exports is exzempt from.

You know the mark up and tarifs all to make it harder for the red meat industry to compete.

This is to support Landmark Elders AWB etc imo and keep live export running for those in bed with the government and the unions truckies etc who donate and bully and threaten votes .

That why Rudd refused to tell the Australian Government at AWB enquiry it wasnt JUST money from wheat going to SH it was live animal; exports.
He KNEW the publics interest.
Gutless wonder worrying about HIMSELF IMO
Give me the butcher any day as PM

!

I'm with you, PALE. Yabby only knows about one thing - how to preach the MLA mantras. Last time I looked, WA was still part of Australia.

Nicky

*Last time I looked, WA was still part of Australia.*

Wow Nicky, what wisdom! Is that why you went to university :)

WA is very much a cash cow for the rest of Australia. With
10% of the population, we generate around 50% of exports, to keep
you people in royalty payments.

It would indeed be nice if some of you actually understood just a
tiny bit about what is going on over here, rather then just take
our money.

Nicky

Then lets talk MLA
Btw Yabbs, did you attend one of Landmarks brain washing( imop) evil life destroying courses? Nothing else explains your bizarre support of MLA?.=
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=landmark+forums+courses+evil&btnG=Google+

Or, perhaps you have been around mines too long.
Which reminds me are the WA Government going to deliver free a home test kit for everybody down there?=

http://www.lead.org.au/clp/products/Do-It-Yourself-Lead-Safe-Test-Kits-20070526.html

Interesting comment re Bunning’s being Pakistan controlled.

Or are Wes farmers into exports again...? After all their quiet sale to the Australian Wheat Board ( AWB) at the heart of the Cormo has turned into a disaster.

Why aren’t they ‘demanding’ Rudd continue with laying charges that were recommended from the AWB Enquiry?

*Every meat processor in WA has vacancies; Aussies simply*

Every farmer has vacancies because MLA along with the Government have MADE farming non viable to push their free trade deals but you know that already.

Meat and Livestock Australia which replaced the Australian Meat and Livestock Corporation restructure has left an unworkable, costly mess. An undemocratic, compulsory funded ($100 million) corporate structure that has far less accountability than the old AMLC.
Only 10,000 of 180,000 meat levy payers are 'members of the company'. It has policy decided by RMAC-representing less than 15% of levy payers. The company is unique in having no idea who its stake holders are.

RMAC The Red Meat Advisory Council consists of the following Peak Councils: -
Cattle Council of Australia, Australian Lot Feeders' Association, Sheepmeat Council of Australia, Live Exporters, National Meat Association (Domestic abattoirs and retailers) and Australia Meat Council AMC (exporters). They decide policy for the producer compulsory funded Meat and Livestock Australia (MLA).

*Expecting WA farmers to write off 150 million$ a year, to suit some
weird political/social agenda…*…
So you *finally understand 'why' we wont stand back while public loose well, over 6 billion dollars + pay on top to prop up live exports than cant you.

*Modern day butchers are*
They are hard working people with interest in their local communities unlike live exporters do.



*Just take a look at the US, *

YES 'please' - next post.