mjpb, you obviously don't know how to interpret snippets of information which you come across. Everything must be filtered through existing bias's without critical thought.

If you want to get an understanding of the penticostal movement of which Gibo is so fond of try Sex Scandles at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Swaggart

or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_televangelist_scandals (this one is a gem)

To be fair I don't personally think the actions of those individuals should be seen as a guide to the morals or ethics of all involved in the penticostal movement but by Gibo's rules for judging others thats how you would do it.

R0bert

Robert,

"mjpb, you obviously don't know how to interpret snippets of information which you come across. Everything must be filtered through existing bias's without critical thought."

I just wish he would stop doing that with regard to Catholicism...

"If you want to get an understanding of the penticostal movement of which Gibo is so fond of try Sex Scandles at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Swaggart

or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_televangelist_scandals (this one is a gem)"

Thanks for taking the time to post and look up that stuff. You obviously don't identify as any form of Christian including Catholic so I know you are being altruistic. Is there any televangelist or former televangelist not included in that article? Wow.

"To be fair I don't personally think the actions of those individuals should be seen as a guide to the morals or ethics of all involved in the penticostal movement but by Gibo's rules for judging others thats how you would do it."

True. I note that there can be slight misunderstandings between denominations that can often be resolved by accurate information. The problem here however is that Gibo's comments are really extreme because someone is actively lieing and Gibo is lapping it up so that his bias is way over the top before he even misinterprets the snippets.

Gibo,

I googled "mystery Babylon" and it led to the 666 Pope accusation. Supporting it were apparently some numerology using an alleged title of the Pope "Vicarius Filii Dei". Supporting the controversial claim the title applied to the Pope was a claim of getting documentary evidence through extensive lying and things like "In "Crossing The Threshold of Hope", by Pope John Paul II...you will find:

"... represents the Son of God.."

If you directly translate "represents the Son of God" into Latin, the official language of the Church, you get "Vicarius Filii Dei"."

Numerology, lies and calculating that the words mainly comprised of "Son of God" in a particular language corresponds to the devil's number. At what point as a Christian do the alarm bells go off?

mjpb, we are getting off topic but I doubt this is worth a seperate thread.
There are plenty not on the list, off the top of my head from local memory - Clark Taylor founder of the "Christian Outreach Center" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Outreach_Centre -resigned after at least one affair. http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/28/1090694012667.html?from=storyrhs

Reg Klimionok (http://klimionok.com/Files/ministry.htm) who started Garden City Christian Church (http://www.gardencity.org.au/) resigned in the midst of serious questions about financial dealings. I don't know the ins and outs of it, he may have been the victim of some factional fighting but at the time it looked bad.

Some more interesting stuff at
http://www.christian-witness.org/archives/van2002/houston2_15.html

One thing that sets these apart from Gibo's world is that they are mostly mega-church types, Gibo's is apparently small. I've not been close enough for some time to have current knowledge but in the 80's and early 90's it was quite astounding how many penticostal pastors from all sized churched had been caught out in sexual immorality (by the standards they preached).

For the record there are others who has far as I know have lived what they preached, Bill Newman (http://www.billnewman.org.au/Home.html) is one who as far as I know lived what he preaches. I don't know his current denominational affiliation, he used to have an Open Brethren church as his home church. You might also find the article at http://www.mysite.com.au/client_sites/694/oct_dec_1.pdf interesting, do a search on Camira and read the section that follows.

My posts are not entirely altruistic I'm hoping that you will realise that Gibo and the other fundies do to the rest of us what Gibo is doing to catholicism. There are some on the site who are seriously anti-christain, others such as myself object to the lies and spin peddled by Gibo and others against those who don't hold to their particular beliefs. Did you see Gibo's comments about Philo when Philo dared to disagree with Gibo on matters theological http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1598#31359

R0bert

Mjpb.
The photo in the SMH clearly portrayed the Pope taking the worship. If I can dig up the reference I will do so.
Committed christians by the way wont be found on their bellies before any leader extending their worship.
The line between worship of the man out front and worship of God would be too vague.
It could be misconstrued so easily...and by God.
Pentecostals might be found on their backs on the floor receiving help from The Holy Spirit.
Any worship we do will be with hands the air direct to God.
Pope also means papa or father and Jesus told His followers never to call anyone on earth father...Matthew 23:9.
You might be wise to seperate from the system your in before the Tribulation period really begins.
Revelation tells us that the Mystery Babylon system is going to get obliterated by God during that period in future history.

Back on topic, OLO forum members may be interested in a poll currently running at the "New Matilda" website:

<< The t-shirt I'll be wearing on World Youth Day will say:

* Ratzinger is a hottie!

* Jesus saves, Buddha invests

* Jesus is a communist

* The Pope: Proudly sponsored by Telstra

* I was molested by a Priest and all I got was this lousy t-shirt >>

I voted for the second option :D

I understand Gibo's feelings about Catholics worshipping the Pope, but I think you would find the same thing going on in other churches. I was nearly run out of a church once for openly criticising Benny Hinn. As far as I'm concerned the only authority for Christians is the Bible, not the Pope, Benny Hinn or any other leading preacher in one of the mega churches.
I'm not sure Gibo about your claims about the Catholic Church being the Whore of Babylon. I think this worldwide false church is yet to be established. The Catholic Church is Christian based, even if Chirstians like you and me do not agree with many of its teachings. I think the false church will embrace completely different teachings. I believe the anti-christ will be very popular, and as can be seen in these threads, the Catholic Church and the Pope are not popular with the majority of people.