Hi all
This is an extract from Dickie's post (Yabby, did you even read it, or just not bother because it did not suit your agenda?)

"The DAFF report - a "Review of Rural Veterinary Services" states:

"E.4 Second, there is no current crisis in the availability of veterinarians. However, rural veterinarians have to contend with rising costs and a reluctance of producers to utilise their services...."

It does rather say it all, doesn't it? NO current crisis in the availability of veterinarians.

The matter of pain relief is, I suspect, far more to do with cost than availability.

I would imagine also that, given the power the farming lobby has over the Government, that it has more chance than anyone of breaking down any "red tape" for the products you describe (anaesthetics, analgesics, the latter of which at least CAN be administered by farmers) or even sorting out what you claim to be a meat industry crisis over there.

You really can't expect the poor, simple, public to go in to bat for you without sufficient information (which you haven't provided despite the fact that I asked you to tell me what would help), the government clearly doesn't listen to us at all.

Besides, I don't expect you to campaign for stuff that I might need for my business but you don't, and what I do is far more in line with community values than a lot of what you people do (as has been very well described by Dickie.

Nite all, Nicky

My opinion.

I was curious by the title of this thread.

We have had several people world wide contact us re PETA and some of the people they work with.

A lady from Japan in particular was very distressed after herself and her fiends decided to open up a group to work with stray dogs and cats because there is no RSPCA over there.

She said she was contacted by several people and told she would have to work with PETA and when she asked why it became very unpleasent.

She was a gentle lady who loved dogs and cats and wanted to help as many as they could.

I remember wondering why on earth that was such a problem to anybody else and why people just didnt leave her alone.

Then we got a letter from a woman in China complaining about the same treatment when she tried to open a small group.

I became curious as to why they would be opposed to others helping animals.

Lets face it animals need all the help they can get.

It was a fair while ago but this lady ended up being terrified . I mean that quite seriously.

Then several of our people a couple of years back decided to call PETA because they had not responded to their letters informing them of our group and the work undertaken to faze live exports and replaced with chilled.

I recall warning them that IMOP they should prepaire themselves for a let down and I didnt think PETA would be interested.

That didnt put them off one little bit as they sat up until 2am waiting to put the call through.

Each one with their notes carefully put together to explain the different programes they were working on with much pride and dedication.

Around 2am they finally got through to the person who was running the Ban live exports office.

The person apparently went to pieces and delaried she could talk to them and hung up in Taryns ear.



Strange way for PETA to treat fellow animal lovers.?

Nicky you still don't get it and you never will, because you are
trying to debate issues that are way over your head. You don't know
the first thing about agro economics, how agriculture works and
why it works or fails. Until you understand those basic issues,
you are simply way out of your league and dreaming.

The Australian sheep flock is already at its lowest level since
1924, due to lack of profitablity. In other words, people regularly
go broke trying to farm sheep for a living, so get sold up by banks
etc. Note the drop in sheep producers in the last 20 years.

Farmers do what they can afford to do. They vaccinate sheep (20c)
drench sheep (20c), mules sheep (50c) tail lambs (50c) treat them
for lice (25c), etc, as these things all assist in the wellbeing
of the animal and are affordable within their budgets. If you want
them to do things that are not affordable within their budgets, they
won't get done.

The way some farmers have dealt with the ever increasing cost/price
squeeze, is by running ever more sheep. Plenty of farmers run
10'000 head per man unit. So if they are left with 5$ a head
at the end of the year as profit, they still earn 50k$, which is
a living, little more. You would not do what they do for 50k$.

So no, farmers won't spend 5$ a head for vet products, if that means
that they go broke. Give them an affordable option at an affordable
price and they will, as we can see with other treatments.

I don't expect you to go into bat for anything, as you frankly don't
matter in the bigger scheme of things. Animal welfare groups like
the RSPCA might have some influence, as they are generally seen
to do with animal welfare. Animal liberation groups and their
followers are seen as just a bunch of extremists. Fair enough.

sadly the evidence suggests otherwise in regard to rural vets. I guess we need to assess "current".

http://www.abc.net.au/rural/news/content/200804/s2231388.htm

http://www.peta.org/feat_in_vitro_contest.asp?c=weekly_enews

PETA Offers $1 Million Reward to First to Make In Vitro Meat.

• Produce an in vitro chicken-meat product that has a taste and texture indistinguishable from real chicken flesh to non-meat-eaters and meat-eaters alike.
• Manufacture the approved product in large enough quantities to be sold commercially, and successfully sell it at a competitive price in at least 10 states.

Well won't that be tasty. Mind you PETA has not mentioned that the protein content of chicken should be replicated in the in vitro chicken-meat.

PETA likens chickens to Holocaust victims.
Animal-rights activists launch campaign against meat eaters.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2810031.stm
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/142/story_14245_1.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31211

Ingrid Newkirk apologises for making comparisons to the Holocaust.

"Our mission is a profoundly human one at its heart, yet we know that we have caused pain. This was never our intention, and we are deeply sorry. We hope that you can understand that although we embarked on the “Holocaust on Your Plate” project with misconceptions about what its impact would be, we always try to act with integrity, with the goal of improving the lives of those who suffer. We hope those we upset will find it in their hearts to work toward the goal of a kinder world for all, regardless of species."

http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/25858/edition_id/501/format/html/displaystory.html

It goes to show her lack of concern for anyone except herself and her cult (PETA) that it took her two years to apologise. What a disgrace! And people listen to this maniac!