And STILL no answers. Who are the cowards, liars and bullies here? It certainly isn't PETA, Animals Australia, Animal Liberation, or any other organization named by PALE who do what they do in an open, transparent and professional manner.

PALE seems to regard itself as being able to use a Paypal donation link with no accountability, and therefore above scrutiny.

Nicky

Hilarious

PALE

It will be interesting to see if the Department of Fair Trading in Queensland and the other parties whom you have continually named, and with whom you continue to try to link me, think so.

It would have been more sensible and rational to answer my questions in a concise and professional manner, rather than descending into the usual tirades of incoherent abuse.

It is not as if I am the only person you have subjected to this abuse either, at least six others come to mind most readily who have abandoned discussions because of you. And that is a shame. No-one should be allowed to be such an offensive, extremist bully to the point that other people, who have equal rights here, feel unable to continue making important contributions on what is, after all, an open discussion forum.

You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself for making all animal advocates appear to be the ranting, incoherent, abusive bully that you are. You do absolutely nothing to promote the animal welfare cause.

Nicky

PALE has abandoned all but one thread now in its attempts to avoid answering my questions. What sort of "organization" is PALE? Not one to do with animal welfare, honesty, accountability and transparency, obviously.

Nicky

Sorry - I've been away for a while. Some responses:

Nicky: << CJ Morgan, I'd be curious about your response to that too, whether you think such experiments should be condoned >>

I would only support such testing and experiments if they were for essential for the development of new medicines and there was no other way of testing whether they are safe for humans - certainly not for cosmetics.

dickie: << That CJ regards animal rights’ people as “a handful of self-obsessed windbags,” shunned by the serious players, prompts me to enquire: "Where are these serious players?” >>

I was referring to one group in particular, and it certainly wasn't PETA or Animals Australia. You should read more carefully.

Nicky: << Can it be that you have a halal meat business in which PALE has had no involvement? >>

No, but in our little town every business is directly affected by the fortunes of the abattoir, which processes mutton and goat for export. I imagine that's the case in every town where the largest industry and principal employer is an abattoir.

I hope that clarifies things.

Hi CJ Morgan

Thanks for that. That's what the WA Meat Processing Industry Taskforce (Lindner Report) and the Heilbron Report pretty much identified, and I've seen towns in NSW virtually shut down when meat processing has closed in the regions.

You ask who the "serious players" are. I think I'd describe Animals Australia, CIWF, WSPA, Animals Angels and Animal Liberation as serious players, and PETA as well. Each has different ways of going about what they do, but certainly all share at least one common goal, that of seeking to end the long distance transport of animals for slaughter. I don't see anything wrong with that. The larger groups, who have the funds, do employ scientists who prepare their papers (CIWF has some excellent ones, for example).

PALE, I have no idea what the background is with Graham and this website, nor am I interested. I just want answers to my questions - those being why you have a Paypal "donate now" link on your website (when PALE is not registered with the Department of Fair Trading in Queensland to raise funds as a charity), and what you do with the money. After all, you are super-critical of every other group which raises funds for its activities because you want them to throw money at your slaughterhouses. If you are raising funds you should say so; try being honest, accountable and transparent as the other groups are.

As for seeing me in court, I can't wait. As I have said earlier, given some of the accusations you have made (about mental instability, for example in my case, and many and various allegations about other organizations and their personnel), you may well find yourself on the defending side of the court room.

In which state is this to occur,under what legislation, and what is the basis of the complaint/s? My asking questions?
Do tell!

Nicky