1. There is no apparent evidence of any submission in relation to the proposed Standards and Guidelines by PALE (or indeed by RSPCA Queensland) at the link provided.

2. The link to the "investigation" consists of one undated letter, than I have seen elsewhere as well; I suspect it is a letter PALE has picked up from someone else's website

3. It has nothing to do with my ego, it is a matter of fact that all the groups I mentioned have clear and unambiguous evidence of achievements that far exceed anything PALE seems to be able to lay claim to. It is about those groups - of which (sigh!) I am not a member, so my ego is irrelevant.

4. An informative website means pretty much everything in today's world of modern communications. Poor PALE!

5. If you are confusing me with Suzanne Cass in Tasmania, I am flattered. She has written some excellent material.

Nicky

The letter is a lady who was stationed in ME and paid by the Australian Government but worked Er, in her spare time for us.
" Nice One':) How embarresing for the Government. That lady still attends this office and is one of our best helpers. Shes TOTALLY dedicated to animals and works in our office two days a fortnight.


We decided at the end of the day only one thing was going to change things and that was to work with the Muslim People instead of protesting about their cruelty.

That lead to the first MOU between Muslim People and Leaders and a animal welfare organisation in Australia.

Not only was that a first in Australia but world wide.
As a matter of interest Muslim Leaders have decided that live exports is cruel and unnessary.
Hense of course old Hugh as president of wspa trying to get in and shaft pale showing zero respect for a legal documents along with others.

Its just a pity that after the years of open hearted invatations to Dr Wirth and others they didnt bother.

If pales work is so invaulable then why have people been tripping over themselves get in the back door and shaft pale?

Still I suppose thats an unfair question to you not being in the loop of animal welfare leaders. You wouldnt know what I am refering to.
All they have done is disrupt progress for the animals causing major problems for others.


We are of course informed as to whom is making enquires. Mind you on one ocassion we decided to let it go a little further to obtain evidence.

RSPCA QLD dont put their subs on their site and we work in conjuction with RSPCA QLD as you well know.
I gave you the link so email Kerry Cutting and ask.

They are too long to post here and Nicky live exports wont be stopped by building a pretty web page . I WILL be stopped however by reopening plants.

Might I say Debbie and Suzzane have always spoiled their efforts.
Pity for the Animals.

sad

Yabby
Well I would like to have posted a little more about some plants and
the industry in general.
However its clear as day Nicky will just contiune to carry on about those terrible animal killers,- pale reopening " slaughter houses"

So in a way you have made your point about the agendas of some.

We on the other hand think this is a political front with some.
Nobody could be that stupid for so long.

I really cant be bothered and this thread has well gone past its use by date.
It could have been interesting but its Such a bore.


Might see you on another thread another time

PALE&IF: << Its just a pity that after the years of open hearted invatations to Dr Wirth and others they didnt bother. >>

Hell hath no fury like a PALE&IF scorned..

Have you thought about turning this thread into a TV soapie script? I'm thinking that something like

"The Mad and the Meatless"

might be able to find a mid-afternoon audience on some obscure pay TV channel.

Just a thought. Do carry on.

:)

PALE, you do miss the point. You say you have MoUs in place. But what do they do/have they done? Anyone can write legal documents, but they need to have some meaning and some action.

There being apparently none of either is probably the reason why the "others" have "tried to get in the back door". They have the same right as you do to write pieces of paper. And MoUs are not usually legally enforceable unless they take the form of a contract, in which there must be an "action" and a "consideration" (usually monetary).

I don't know who has "tried to get in the back door", but assume from your comments it is Hugh Wirth. If "Debbie" is from AAQ, as you seemed to be asserting on another thread some time ago, you can't really describe either her or Suzanne as "spoiling" anyone's efforts, from the work both of them have been doing for years (also unpaid and at their own expense, as far as I know). They have made tremendous contributions. It seems that their "crime" is disagreeing with/refusing to work with PALE, nothing more. I'm sure they are highly regarded by everyone else in the movement. You need to understand that, in real terms, PALE has done the least, being single-issue, and basically non-active (in terms of dealing with real and current cruelty issues). PALE has also consistently sought to undermine the achievements of everyone else in the movement. What exactly has PALE done for RSPCA Queensland, for example, except to bring it into some disrepute by its antics?

You do not say what date that letter was written, but it appears to be from the early-mid 1990s, and it can hardly be described as an "investigation", it merely describes (by hearsay), in a couple of paragraphs, one event.

Nicky

here I go again breaking the instructions by our lawyers who are looking at you .

They have given a lot of time to animals themselves.

I am NOT going to post all our privy information on here- nor AFICs.
You people were invited to join us for years but declined.

Then Hugh thinks he can just ignore the invites we extended to him and aa.
They had 20 years to do what we have done but didnt.

It’s interesting that "you hide behind a false name ".

What I said was Debby and Suzanne had done some very good work but then spoil it.

It’s curious after all you have said you’re now defending Hugh.

Even more curious after all everybody has said you would settle for him leading the handle with care?

I am just wondering what type of political animals we are dealing with here.

We have already achieved a great amount working with RSPCA QLD and Muslim Leaders.

Lot more to be done. We could have achieved far more had Animals Australia worked with us instead of against us.

We are small by comparison and young.

As for our investigation Nicky we had a person working for an Australian diplomat being paid by the Australian Government in ME for "Two Years."
Not having the huge amounts of donations peta and AA get we decided to opt it for something a bit smarter.

Also the witness is "totally credible being employed by their own The Australian Government)"

We told AA we had this evidence but they didn’t want to know and of COURSE we haven’t put everything up on our web page regarding it.


As for the others trying to go through the back door- Just 'LOOK' at the results.

They have no idea of what they are doing or what they have done.

Best stick to rolling around protesting meat eaters naked.

Do you know how much help that is to animals.=

ZERO