Alexandra0814, said

I wrote to the Victorian state premier and the western Australian premier a few times a while ago and got a hopeless answer so maybe Nicky is right. The premiers don't really care when they can get out of it. Good night everyone.

pale=
I would be very interested to see the reply TBO.
I will try to dig out some older letters to and from Premiers and post them for you.

Did they deny they are a seperate identity for trade in their state?

The Free Range Farmers site needs a new minder. Tayns in WA. That used to be her little job.

AVA have a unique system. Its a bit like asking farmers to put up their hands for the ACCC enquiry at the moment.

AVA are terribly frail. Scare really easily. I reckon they might set up a mobile shop if you girls look their way:)

They for eg were to attend a meeting a while back in QLD With
with fed Ministers advisor. Didnt front didnt call and headed for the hills when confronted.

I am afriad we cant take on one more thing however I will find old letters to AVA and so forth also when I get a chance.

I just wish some others would point their fingures at AVA

The only reason live exports and intensive farming is about is because they dont act.

The Government would have to introduce an act tomorrow! if AVA did their job.

AVA are all there is between intensive farming and live exports.

So the question is to young vets and older ones who are sitting on the AVA board.

Why did you not honnor your juty of care and keep our alligence to the animals.

Its the way to go. Good Night everybody- Or should I say- goodmorning.

Rojo

Do you have anything better to do? You remain on these threads purposely to defend the heinous actions of the livestock industry in Australia and have failed to provide the remotest semblance of an ethical argument to justify the existence of this industry. You, laying down with dogs (apologies to canines), are riddled with fleas.

Despite my response to your swill in another thread, you're at it again. Why don't you take your hand off it and bugger off?

And from the British Medical Journal:

"Up to May 2003, 135 cases of vCJD had been identified in the UK. Analyses of the numbers of deaths from vCJD by year had shown an increasing trend with time, but recent data raise the possibility that the epidemic has peaked.

"Mathematical models estimating the total future number of cases have indicated a wide range of future scenarios. Early calculation estimated that there might be thousands or more cases of vCJD in the UK and, although more recent models provide more conservative estimates, there remains uncertainty about the likely size of the total vCJD epidemic.

"All these calculations necessarily depend on a range of unknown assumptions including critical determinants such as the mean incubation period of BSE in humans or the infectious dose of BSE for humans.

Therefore, vigilance is essential particularly when Australia's live export industry has been exposed for its lies and deception and its "business as usual" mentality.

Furthermore, in light of BSE, Manila has, until this month (May) maintained its ban on importing "clean, green" Australian bone and meat meal for its livestock.

http://archive.wn.com/2008/05/11/1400/cjdreport/

That I find interesting particularly in light of recent revelations that all governments in "clean, green" Australia (state and federal without exception), have been found guilty of suppressing vital health and environmental information to its people.

The suppression of this information has the potential to place the health of this nation at risk.

http://africa.reuters.com/world/news/usnSYD230970.html

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2176903.htm

These revelations come as no surprise when we examine the collusion between the moral pygmies in government (including senior bureaucrats) and the corporate cockroaches who are running the show.

Hey guys. Did you sign the petition on The Land site? It helps.

Dickie, perhaps you should take your hand off it.

Rojo's posts have been some of the most rational on the
animal welfare threads. All we get from you is more alarmist
nonsense, because you can't get your little mind around the
fact that we breed livestock for humans to eat.

Every day millions of people eat meat grown in Australia.
No reports of deaths everywhere. Yet people get run
over, commit suicide, die from mistakes in hospitals etc.
etc.

Our local old peoples home is full of 90 plus year olds,
who have eaten local meat all their lives.

Careful that you don't die of worry

Gibo,
Hello , Which petition are you refering to?
Thanks for your interest.
Yabby
Well I dont know if debating on here is much use.
I wouldnt mind if we could move on and work on a means to fixing the problem

I am sure we are all sick of hearing the same old thing for twenty years pluss.
We need some better progects than this re hashed stuff time after time.

To my mind bugger all will change until WE change it.

Thats all there is to it.

I though we may of had a small break through when you posted on the other thread regarding addressing the problems.

However we just keep going over and over the same old stuff.

We are trying to get some more players into WA Yabby.

Waiting on some big players who should be here in the next few months.
Goodness knows how long it will take to see it all through and cut some red tape.

Mean while changing the subject have you got two or three names of areas down there that plants would be best place IYO

We have got a few in mind but nothing like hearing from locals

"Careful that you don't die of worry"

Yabby

I am not a worrier - I am a crusader. And luckily for me, I am not a captive of your foul industry.

Therefore, don't kid yourself. The damning evidence against your industry is overwhelming and all posters who want to find out for themselves need only access the myriad of medical and environmental documentation which is readily available.

As for the "90 plus year olds" you refer to, I remind you that during their earlier years on this planet they were not subjected to the poisoning of their food sources or the ramifications of intensive farming by the likes of you . Nevertheless, I have not yet met a "90 plus year old" who is in good health - not doubt succumbing to the ravages of "modern" agriculture in their latter years.

"Every day millions of people eat meat grown in Australia. No reports of deaths everywhere."

More unadulterated swill Yabby to deceive and insult the intelligence of readers?

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:KGVdYiF1W2cJ:www.abc.net.au/health/library/stories/2005/08/04/1829066.htm+bowel+cancer+australia+2007+red+meat&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=au&lr=lang_en

"A substantial reduction in meat consumption in high-income countries should benefit health, mainly by reducing the risk of heart disease obesity, colorectal cancer and, perhaps some other cancers.

"The study also points out that reducing red meat consumption would have health benefits for many Westerners, including potentially lowering the risk of several types of cancer." Prof. Michael

Professor McMichael teaches at the National Centre for Epidemiology and Population Health at the Australian National University, Canberra and led an international team of experts. Results were published in the medical journal Lancet.

Australians, per capita, for the year 2006, consumed 110 kilograms of meat - beef, lamb, pig, poultry.

It is estimated that Americans alone consume more than 10 billion animals annually and Australia grows around 28% of its meat products for export to the US.

As for the global and domestic environmental and health ramifications of this reckless descent into unsustainability, I shall leave posters to form their own conclusions.