Yabbys a torment yes however he gave the real reasons for live Exports.
It’s not his industry. It’s not even the farmers industry. It’s the middle men and Government that set it up this way to jump in on trade deals.
Yabby doesn’t agree with me on this part of it.

However it doesn’t really matter if he agrees it was plotted this or just ended up this way be bad management.

The result is the same in the end.

The real truth of the matter is the Australian Governments' BOTH Federal and State could stop this pretty quickly if MLA and Australia Premiers and Ministers of trade went to ME and the thirty other countries and said= Hello My name is BLa Bla. =

I am The Minister of Trade etc and we invite you to form co joint ventures with Aussie partners because WE ARE NOT EXPORTING LIVE ANIMALS ANYMORE BECAUSE ITS CRUEL END OF STORY.

Instead of that MLA and Austrade the Ministers and the PM all protect and promote the evil Industry.

Why? Because they don’t have the balls the stand up to the companies with vetted interests.
They won’t take of the Truckee companies. They don’t want to loose those votes. They don’t want to loose their donations to their parties.

As the old saying goes. You lie with dogs and you get fleas.

Well both sides of this Government have been lousy for years.

So if it’s going to stop its up to we do do their job. To reopen plants and bring in some powerful players. It’s doable. More those most realize. Huh if only people knew how many times FF has been contacted direct by these investors! Just to be fobbed off. FF has some questions to answer. Bottom line.

If we want it to stop we are going to have to do it ourselves because the Governments In Australia are too low and gutless.

SHAME ON STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LEADERS AND ALL MINISTERS FOR NOT SPEAKING OUT ABOUT THIS CRUELTY MAY THEY ALL ROT IN HELL ALONG WITH ELDERS

*Nevertheless, I have not yet met a "90 plus year old" who is in good health - not doubt succumbing to the ravages of "modern" agriculture in their latter years.*

Funny then that people are living longer then ever. How much
over 90 do you think people should live? What about they might
have had their turn, time to let the younger ones have a go.

You crusade all you want, others will point out to you that the
sky isn't falling, as you claim.

A balanced diet is what its all about. Yes some people eat too
much meat, even too much coffee will kill you. Yes eating
processed meats, salamis etc, with additives, is a problem, but
I have yet to see where people who eat moderate amounts of
unprocessed red meats, don't benefit. That is exactly what we
produce in WA and that is what those 90 year olds have eaten
all their lives.

As for live exports, its really up to suburia to do more then
just trade houses with one another for a living. Value adding
what farmers produce is one thing they could do. They are free
to buy our livestock and value add. If they are unwilling,
unable, too stupid or too lazy, we will find other solutions.

Some of these families here have skimped and saved, worked their
arses off for 3 generations and more. In the 90s I would visit
some outer areas, some were still living in the back of their
shearing sheds. They are honest, hardworking people who rely on
the system to do the right thing. If the system is so flawed,
or you suburbanites so lazy and corrupt, farmers will find their
own solutions.

"In the 90s I would visit some outer areas, some were still living in the back of their shearing sheds."

Oh dearie me....how terribly sad.

By the way Yabby where do they park their aeroplanes and helicopters these days?

*By the way Yabby where do they park their aeroplanes and helicopters these days?*

Which shows me that you don't have the foggiest, as to what is going
on in the WA farming areas. Ignorance is clearly bliss in your
case.

http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__international_news/&articleid=302398
International
Cooking smoke killing 1,6-million people a year
New Delhi, India

More than 1,6-million people are dying every year from the effects of breathing in poisonous smoke from animal dung, wood and coal used for cooking, experts said on Monday.

More than three billion people -- half the world's population -- rely on the burning of solid fuels to prepare their meals because they cannot afford cleaner alternatives or don't have access to electricity.

Environmental experts said in New Delhi the cooking smoke was killing women and children in India, China, Africa and elsewhere.

"There is an enormous massacre happening in the world, yet little attention is given to this," said Ashok Khosla, chairperson of Development Alternatives, an Indian voluntary group that promotes clean technology for rural communities.

"Most of those that suffer are women who cook in the rural kitchens of the Third World and their young children who spend much time indoors with their mothers."

Yabby I agree with you its time the people got off their bums and value added.
I agree the city folk should demand the Government make this happen. I agree that even if peopledont care about the animals this country needs that to happen
I agree if people complain about live exports they should be prepaired to do something sensible about it.

I just dont know how they can sit back and do nothing.
Worse still attack the people who are trying to do just that for the animals.

Hi all

PALE, I suspect we would get little joy out of the AVA, after all, these are people with a commercial interest in livestock generally, including live exports. Hugh Wirth I think said some time ago that the vets who do the live export stuff did not have to have the same accreditation as practising vets in Australia. I don't know whetther that's still the case. Vets therefore cannot be relied upon to stand up for these animals, and for that reason, should not be represented on animal welfare advisory bodies. They have a commercial interest and thus a conflict.

Yabby, it's pretty safe to attribute longevity to advances in medicine and technology, not to consumption of your "product", which as Dickie points out, is responsible for subsntantive imcreases in arteriosclerosis, and colorectal and other cancers. The first of those is addressed these days with angioplasty and other graft techniques which were unheard of years ago. It owes absolutely nothing to meat consumption. In fact, the longevity of vegetarians is better, so you should drop that particular propganda.

I think Rojo's posts, although I rarely agree with them, are often reasoned and polite, but not as factual or well-reasoned and referenced as Dickie's (as someone who marks that kind of material at tertiary level, I'm quite conscious of that).

PALE has suggested that "plants" (why not call them for what they are? Slaughterhouses) can be opened in WA, perhaps there's something in that.

Cheers
Nicky