pale, I can only tell you what I heard on the radio. Sorry. The bit that went to air, and the bit I commented upon.
About 5 mentions of slaughter to 2 of transport in your link to a newspaper article. And no pinkeye.

yes the lobbying for years has been about the journey, it appears to be second fiddle now.

I can assure you and other readers I am not trying to be dishonest, but admit am prone to make mistakes on occasion. You and everyone else are quite welcome to correct anything that I've said if it is wrong, but you'll need to back it up with some evidence, I try to.

If non-stun slaughter has nothing to do with religious tradition, then it should be easy to get the ME to use stunning and most of the current objections to live export would end there and then. I feel there is some discontent, reading pieces like this:
http://www.halaljournal.com/artman/publish/article_165.shtml

Alex, you seem to be making the same mistake that Nicky does, expecting
perfection from day 1. Life does not work that way. Calling everyone in the
ME a bunch of barbarians and savages and walking away, which is what
Nicky does, won’t work either and will change nothing.

I accept the imperfect world that we live in. Change comes about through
many small steps, which over time add up to big steps.

I can’t think of a country on earth which has stuck to every agreement that it
has signed, to the word. That includes the ME and Australia. There are few
guarantees in life, apart from death. If Egypt blatantly ignores the agreements
reached, then Australia is free to stop cattle exports once again, at a future date.

Sure I’m pushing uphill about animal libbers getting involved in improving
conditions for non Australian animals in the ME. For most of these organisations
are run by people who are vegans and veggies, some who claim that animal welfare
and livestock farming and eating are mutually exclusive. That is simply not the
case, but like religion, the rational does not seem to matter when it comes to
ideology.

The rational argument suggests that there is much that could be done to improve
animal welfare in both Australia and the ME. Australia is quite advanced in coming
up with simple and cheap equipment, to handle livestock more humanely. We
also have a huge foreign aid budget. There is no reason why a tiny portion of that
could not be used to achieve a win-win situation for all, including non Australian
animals. The veggie brigade should be thrilled by that concept, but clearly they
are not interested.

Nicky, the meat processing industry are free to buy all livestock
before they go on any boat. If there is so much profit to be made
for Australia, processing locally, then surely they can afford to
pay farmers a share of that profit, in terms of the price of livestock.

Rojo said
Interesting today on the NSW ABC country hour, an rspca rep was giving her view on the resumption of live exports to Egypt.

The only mention was slaughter practices in Egypt, no mention of boats,the length of journey, pink eye - just the slaughter practices.
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pale, I can only tell you what I heard on the radio. Sorry. The bit that went to air, and the bit I commented upon.
About 5 mentions of slaughter to 2 of transport in your link to a newspaper article. And no pinkeye.

Pale replies- ( Or the blue tongue across the creek)

No Rojo thats ok. Thanks I did pick up on it and appreciate it.

In 'some ways' we think alike. We thank you for that information .- Umm Very interesting information.

Yup you would think they would have their toughest bully blokes out front throwing punches and screaming into that microphone.

Well just for the record PALE in conjunction with RSPCA QLD IS complaining about the long trips.

I am pleased you used the Halal Journal links but something tells me you havent paid you ninty dollars:) However Rojo please dont start throwing up the Brazils etc until people actually understand it all because I didnt put it up to cause confusion. We have to take things one step at a time.
Yes Mohamed said aparrently 'somebody' had done some thing in Germany.
Our response to that is that we will have to run everything as well past Dr. Temple Grandin I would encourage all to watch video Link of Dr Grandin.


crimihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoNErsJNPzwnal.
Alexandra
Welcome and may we say on a first post "Well Said" By Your following comment=

Especially, there does not seem to me to be any possible justification for sending cattle to Egypt again, given the comments from the RSPCA.
Regards from Alexandra
Posted by Alexandra0814, Saturday, 10 May 2008 7:08:33 P

Ar Sorry Rojo But we are all for reopnening plants in Australia - and eventually using gas.
Catch you next post.
I best give that Yabbs a bit of attention next time:)

"I don't think people care about anything until it costs them a dollar. "

Plainly disproved by the length of, and passion in, this thread/topic.

Alexandra

I know this is a crash course but one of the most valuable comments on this thread is this one posted by our own Yabbs.

We are pushing for Animal Welfare to get involved more in the industry because it’s the only way to ‘make sure' human practices ARE ‘followed’
Nothing written on a piece of paper beats on hands kind proper management.



To can make improvements work 'for them' - instead of blaming them we are on a winning horse. (Expression only girls)

So Alexandra read the post below and read it again- then meditates on it.
One could say a rare insight from our old Yabbs :)



Here are Yabbs sensible comments= Look behind the words and see the beginning of ...>
Yabby Said =
Dickie, the British and rest of the EU are of course free to open up
Their markets to Australian mutton and lamb, slaughtered right here
In Australia. Right now we are largely denied access to those
Markets, for reasons of EU self interest it seems.

In that case the higher value obtained would mean not having to
Send so many animals to the Middle East. You are free to lobby the
EU to do the right thing here! If they refuse, then it would only
Be fair to describe them as hypocrites.
Posted by Yabbs, Friday, 9 May 2008 10:24:09 PM

pale contiunes
Now we have got all eyes on diseases with Global Warming so let’s pick up and run with that encouraging this Government to support Free Range Farms and Ag Schools teaching our tree change Aboriginal Migrants and just the office bloke wants a life style change.

Remember this is an honorable thing to do to step up and put the cruel operators out of business.

Thats our OP.

pale, your tube link didn't work for me but I did read some of Grandin's work .
http://www.grandin.com/ritual/kosher.slaugh.htmlisc/an/an_slaughter.htm

who is the "we" in reopening plants, and does this refute my opinion that AA, peta, viva and the like do not ultimately want to have slaughter of any kind.

In some ways we do think alike pale, I too have a love of animals, one that transcends arbitary borders. Some believe we can extort change, I believe we can do it better by cooperation.

cheers